Where is the original content in the weblogs

[Former Member]

I am only doing this because i want all of us to have a lively discussion on this particular issue. Please don't gang up on me. Lately i have noticed some of the weblogs have content directly taken from somebody else's content(website, articles, etc.) but they have not mentioned anything about how they have used that knowledge. This makes the weblog smell like plagiarism. Wouldn't it be better if we shared our knowledge with an actual scenario( where the weblogger has actually used that particular knowledge?

I also have concerned about who gets to write some of this weblogs. I am concerned that there is no minimum qualification for becoming a weblogger. You all can disagree with me but i consider the SDN webloggers as an expert in his respective field(but not a beginner). Mabye expert is not the right word, somebody with experience. If there is no qualification then why not make the weblogs open to all the SDN members to contribute?

Message was edited by: Prakash Singh

[Former Member]

Let them get rated automatically by number of times they were read! Garbage posters 'll get handled automatically by the readers, once somebody posts garbage nobody 'll ever revisit that writer's blog! Usually after reading, people do not bother to award points etc.

[Former Member]

Please visit this weblog:

/people/sap.user72/blog/2006/02/15/top-weblogs-of-all-time-3-to-0

[STALANKI]

Craig,

I completly agree with you.

I have different views on the criteria of selecting a blogger based on experience.

I have seen people like sudhir,siva in XI who has really given outstanding contribution to XI and they are newbies.

Till date lot of people use their articles in SAP XI.

And also not every blog need to be a good technical one or something new.We see lot of people struggle to start up before they write some thing excellent.It also depends on the country and geography where they come from .Ex: Netweaver is in full swing in USA,UK and it is just in the START UP in India(We can really count in numbers who can really understand the articles published by Thomas,Roberto,Michal).They are the unbeatable technology monsters and it takes time for the people to catch up the speed in different geographies.

The articles posted in India might not be of much use to US,UK geography as they are much ahead but it can be useful to lot other countries who are just catching up the speed.

I think as long as the articles are not copy and pasted and it makes some sense to SAP NW we can have them.

After all,sdn is a global community and it has to serve the SAP WORLD.

I feel some companies motivate the team to contribute for sdn and link it to compensation just to motivate them but at the same time companies should stress on the qualities.

It is same way as sdn motivates the world with XMas gifts or new year gifts..etc for publishing great articles.

[Former Member]

Hi,

>> <i>criteria of selecting a blogger based on experience</i>

<i>The young Max Planck was to give a lecture on radiant heat. When he arrived he inquired as to the room number for the Planck lecture. He was told, "You are much too young to be attending the lecture of the esteemed professor Planck."</i> - <a href="http://mooni.fccj.org/~ethall/quantum/quant2.htm">Link</a>

<i>Louis Braille was just 15 when he developed the system of reading and writing by means of raised dots known as "Braille," as was Thomas Edison when he created important invention number one, the telegraphic repeating instrument. Who invented the popsicle stick? An 11 year-old by the name of Frank Epperson.</i> - <a href="http://www.legalzoom.com/articles/article_content/article13966.html">Link</a>

According to a Thai (proverb) saying "Experience is a comb which nature gives us when we are bald" - <a href="http://www.quotegarden.com/experience.html">Proverb</a>

I totally agree that a blogger access mustn't be given based on experience.

>> <i>I have seen people like sudhir,siva in XI who has really given outstanding contribution to XI and they are newbies.</i>

They are not newbies! No one will have more experience on any product than its availability in the market. Every one is a newbie in this case.

>> <i>Netweaver is in full swing in USA,UK and it is just in the START UP in India We can really count in numbers who can really understand the articles published by Thomas,Roberto,Michal</i>

I strongly disagree with this statement. The same sudhir, siva and sunita (my past colleagues) have successfully showcased XI and its capabilities to everyone even before the product was available in the market. More contributions from Indian companies in SDN have clearly shown that India is not in a "START UP" state in Netweaver.

>> <i>The articles posted in India might not be of much use to US,UK geography as they are much ahead but it can be useful to lot other countries who are just catching up the speed.</i>

I believe NetWeaver product is same throughout the world except some specific changes due to local laws. I also believe that God has given the same brain for every human whether he is in US or UK or Germany or India or Poland any other part of the globe.

>> <i>I think as long as the articles are not copy and pasted and it makes some sense to SAP NW we can have them.</i>

I disagree this. Why should anyone need a similar article though it is not translate/copy-paste? There is no need to re-invent the wheel. It is a waste of time.

>> <i>I feel some companies motivate the team to contribute for sdn and link it to compensation just to motivate them but at the same time companies should stress on the qualities.</i>

I totally disagree. <u>Companies have nothing to do with SDN</u>. <u>SDN is Developer Network.</u> It is not even their employees' daily bread. I have been in two companies which are inside the top 10 contributing companies. Companies just encourage their employees to participate in SDN and thats all.

When anyone come out of any company does the company by anychance going to retain his/her SDN points with the company? Then, why should any company link the compensation to SDN? What is the actual gain for any company when its employees contribute in SDN? Not even clients using NetWeaver see SDN points (based on companies) to give projects. If that is the case, then companies blindly recruit people and make them contribute to SDN and the meaning of "contribution" itself is altered!

SDN is NOT for points. Points are just for encouragement. In fact, no one is going to convert SDN points to dollars or euros or rupees. <b>SDN is a place where you share your ideas and thoughts related to SAP products or SDN itself.</b> This is the main objective and NOT sdn points or anything linking to their compensation.

Craig, I think i have to bribe you if my company is linking my contributions/sdn points to my compensations. )

>> <i>companies should stress on the qualities</i>

It would be better if companies stress on qualities, but it can't and will not. SDN has more personal relationship than a company relationship since it is a developer network

Best regards,

Felix Jeyareuben

[Former Member]

First off folks, when reviewing an application WE DO consider experience, plan and simple.

Secondly if you have less than 6 to 12 months in a field you are most certainly a newbie, even after more than 2 years in a field I still consider myself a newbie with ABAP and after 5 years I will probably still consider myself a newbie there. I think Brian even called me at one point "The guiding light for all newbies" in terms of BSP.

As for whether NW is the same throughtout the world - I leave that to be answered by those more suited to answer it - meaning those who have expierence with the global role out of NW.

<i>>> I think as long as the articles are not copy and pasted and it makes some sense to SAP NW we can have them.

I disagree this. Why should anyone need a similar article though it is not translate/copy-paste? There is no need to re-invent the wheel. It is a waste of time.</i>

Two views both completely the opposite, but the correct answer is the one we here at SDN choose, and that would be that if the article has worth and the author is in agreement then we post it.

As for how companies deal with the connection between SDN and it's own employees that is quite different from one company to the next and therefore should not be discussed here but inside of each company.

<b>THIS THREAD IS DISCUSSING OF WAYS TO IMPROVE QUALITY IN THE WEBLOGS not to discuss theories, thoughts, or other tangents of thoughts around the subject.</b>

Plan and simple, SDN depends on the community to comment and review the blogs posted, to contact us if they feel a blog is not up to the standards. Exactly what SDNers have been doing - we encourage it and we want you to do more!

[Former Member]

Hello Craig,

After reading through this long thread of thoughts presented by people, I want to put in my two cents too.

Personally for me SND has been a big boon. Coming from a non SAP background, SND provided me the launch pad I need to excel in the SAP related products especially XI. It took me a while before I got my first weblog published. The transition of finding to answering to writing took me a while. During this period I had the leisure of reading though the tons of weblog published by the fellow SDNers.

There is definitely a quality range in terms of weblog writings. From simple step by step, to detailed/ verbose weblog. <b>But I think it is more important to encourage fellow developer to write and publish weblog</b>. There can be any solutions to a common problem. Thanks to the many weblog to know about a problem even before u face it makes you kind of proactive and being more reactive when it finally hits you.

I am glad to be a part of SDN. And like the SDN says "PIMP MY CODE"

Best Regards,

Naveen

[Former Member]

Just to throw this discussion off-track....

Do you think removing the guarantee of getting some points by publishing a weblog, will eventually lead to quality weblogs? Here is the logic.

In my opinion a Weblog should be a piece of writing that someone wants to share with others and get their feedback. They write this to their own pleasure or their own good intent to share their knowledge with the world.

So for such people, giving points will not be the motivator(or taking away the point system will not discourage them), they will contribute anyway, because they just love sharing information.

On the contrary, if there are people who do this for gaining points for themselves or for their company's position, then will they contribute if there were no guaranteed points?

Just like in forums, when you answer a thread, you don't know whether the person who posted the thread will reward you or not. So why not use the same logic here for weblogs and say that you may or may not get points . Let us see how many people will really be still contributing.

Srinivas

[athavanraja]

i totally agree with Srinivas's view. Srinivas has rightly mentioned why people write blog and what effect the points system has on that.

the points to the weblog should be based on the user ratings!

Regards

Raja

[Former Member]

> However, and as this thread talks about "community review"

> many of the weblogs have no comments, no reviews no

> nothing in which case we are left to make a decision

> without the input of the community.

The comments to the weblogs are a review system as well but when the community doesn't use that how will adding another help?

[Former Member]

Some suggestions

- May be one more tab in 'top contributors', which 'excludes' weblog points. Make this the default tab there. Weblog points will lose some of the prominence. Same with the 'companies' list.

- A 'peer' score for the SDNers where you discard all points awarded by same co users (or referred users) and reference points, and subtract 40 points( the base line score) from each weblog score, to calculate the final score. This may be true'r reflection (like a critics choice award) of quality contribution made by SDNers.

- Maybe a radiogroup on the weblog which forces users to rate weblogs. In addition, as suggested by Srinivas, make 0 as the 'minimum guaranteed' points for a weblog.

In the end though, weblogs shall be open to most if not all users. What may seem like exciting and novel to some may not appear so to others. When talking of quality, I would stick my neck and say there is not much that separates the best of weblogs from some of the great forum answers (vis-a-vis the large difference that is there between the points they receive). Or, that finding a pioneering way to use technology to do things that have been done to death in many other ways already shall not really be a claim to 'quality'.

Weblogs are people's experience they 'think' can be shared and used by others. To this extent, if we find mediocrity there, 'we' are looking at the wrong place, maybe 'technical articles' should be a better place to browse.

It is obvious to most weblog browsing users that there has been some instances of writing weblogs for the sake of it (or the points), however, I think it will self-correct over time.

[Former Member]

Hi,

A suggestion which would give the true meaning of points.

- No SDNer must be allowed to reward forum points / give comments / reply answers to forums, if he had not registered with any company email id.

- No SDNer must be allowed to reward forum points / give comments / reply answers to forums, to the colleagues who belong to the same company.

- Removing all the points alloted by the same company people to their own colleagues in forums, I am eager to see the new topcontributors and esp the "new" top contributing companies. That is how it has to be in SDN!

- A weblog point must be visible to all SDNers in the weblog itself because it will speak a lot and worth a lot. This will clearly disallow giving more points to a silly thing and giving less points to something that is worth more because everyone is watching the points!

>>Maybe a radiogroup on the weblog which forces users to rate weblogs

It is a good idea but, this mustn't be allowed from the people belonging to the same company. I can show many weblogs having comments from the same company as if the weblog is more useful and stuffs like that. Hence Craig/SDN moderators will end up deciding that the weblog is more useful and give more points where the real truth is washed away just for some points.

If all the above suggestions are satisfied, SDN will have a new look having the "true" meaning of SDN points.

As I already mentioned, <b>the real purpose of SDN is not for points</b>

Best regards,

Felix Jeyareuben

[Former Member]

Once again folks, all novel ideas but we are not getting any further.

We will not force anyone to rate, review or critic anything as that is not the point of all of this. We also can't force anyone to use a certain email address and we wouldn't be able to check it anyway.

Our weblog system has a "comments" section where everyone can read the weblog and give their comments. However if users - that means all of you out there - don't use the "comments" now as they are I see little reason to spend the time to add ANOTHER system.

Use it, give weight to it then we can justify modifying it and improving it.

[Former Member]

Prakash,

<i>Lately i have noticed some of the weblogs have content directly taken from somebody else's content(website, articles, etc.)</i>

Sadly, today your statement was proven: take a look at comments for <a href="https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/com.sap.sdn.businesscard.sdnbusinesscard?u=c07ephdmw1y%3d">oleg Fligin</a> <a href="https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/u/50677">blog</a> (see /people/oleg.figlin/blog/2005/10/06/web-services-and-soa--service-soa-definition-and-difference-part-2)

As far as I'm native russian speaker and can understand written english quite well I can confirm: this is one-to-one translation. Without any references to original site.

Part 1:

https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/2395 [original link is broken]

Original:

http://www.ubs.ru/ws/ws_basics1.html

Part 2:

/people/oleg.figlin/blog/2005/10/06/web-services-and-soa--service-soa-definition-and-difference-part-2

Original:

http://www.ubs.ru/ws/ws_basics2.html

Part 3:

In translation (???)

Original:

http://www.ubs.ru/ws/ws_basics3.html

VS

[STALANKI]

I do agree with prasad and I think there should be some screener who is a technical expert in the respective domains who can allot points accordingly.

Also there should be some SAP relevance and business use for the articles..otherwise why choose sdn??

[Former Member]

Each weblog gets 40 points upon being published, afterwhich it is then reviewed by one of us in the weblog team and extra points are assigned.

Now if we have a good idea on the technincal aspect we simply go forward if not we see what the community is saying about it.

However, and as this thread talks about "community review" many of the weblogs have no comments, no reviews no nothing in which case we are left to make a decision without the input of the community.

As for a "technincal expert" well the problem lies in the fact that the blogs are so easily editied and changed by the author and therefore hard to control, NOR should they be controlled. So in this case we rely as it SHOULD be on the input of the community.

If you read a blog and see something wrong then COMMENT on it.

For 100% SAP relevance, we are easy on this one because there are many things that are not 100% relevant but are very relevant to the developers themselves (such as tools to use, standards, etc.)

[Former Member]

Prakash, I agree with you. IMHO the quality of some of the technical weblogs is disappointing, to say the least.

Why not separate the weblogs into different categories (technical, social, ...) with different amounts of bonus points and different review processes?

I also have the impression that some webloggers write only to have written something...

Armin

[stephenjohannes]

I will agree that some of content of the newer weblogs has been weak at best, but you are only going to discourage people from creating new material if people start to police the weblogs. I have been on the fence on whether to start contribute weblogs in the area of CRM, however right now I decided to refrain due to time and the tone against new webloggers currently.

I personally would prefer the ability for an SDN user to rate the useful news of the weblog. This would be similar to the review feedback with Amazon. The user could assign points from 1 to 10 based quality and usefulness. The average rating of the user feedback would appear next to the article. Thus if someone merely posts a weblog with no content then it would receive a low rating.

The only other solution is to have a review board of SME's in each area assign a relevance and quality rating to each weblog after being posted. These rankings could also help with that.

I guess however the contributions do still appear to be much better than a google search or other areas. Now if SAP could have done the same thing with configuration guides(application) instead of locking it in Solution Manager!

Take care,

Stephen

[Former Member]

Hi Stephen,

No one wants to discourage new bloggers in fact most of us try to speak to and encourage those who are interested, the problem is that lately there seems to be a point race and sometimes the contain from a specific group of people is rather flimsy and it's just that it's getting tiring and worrisome. Some of the weblogs that people have put a huge effort into have simply been lost in a sea of ones that have no direct relation to SAP or are not well thought out or written.

Yes some of the new webloggers are being "questioned" so to speak however it's several of the more vetern webloggers as well that are being "questioned" as of late. (https://www.sdn.sap.com/sdn/weblogs.sdn?blog=/pub/wlg/1943" [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken]>example [original link is broken] [original link is broken])

CRM is a hot topic area and I'm sure the CRM forum would be greatful for some new material! I know I would it's a topic that has been coming up lately and I know next to nothing about other than the Support Desk in our SSM system.

I'm sure SDN themselves have been noticing what's going on as well but if the memembers don't speak up with what they think, want or need how can they act or react?

[stephenjohannes]

Craig,

I agree in general that there needs to be some way to promote better content and still encourage people to post. I looked at the example and it probably shows the need for user feedback system beyond comments on the weblog comments. I think it would be more productive to have weblogs marked as relevant via user ranking, vs going through the back and forth discussions of how does this relate to the SAP related development topics in the comments of the weblog. You could even based the point system in manner where weblogs get points multiplied by a quality factor. However you would have to throw out the top 10% of rankings and bottom 10% rankings to keep the score balanced.

My personal feelings are when you get information for free, you can't be picky about what you receive. In general we must ask: whether you will have a quality control procedure for what gets posted or end up more like the general internet model where you have billions of sites, and millions that actually contain good content.

As for CRM logs, eventually I will write something once I make the time to log it.

Take care,

Stephen

[Former Member]

Excellent ideas! Perhaps a ratings system would be could provided it just wasn't all the friends of a person rating it of course

I look forward to see your weblogs I hope you can find some time!

[former_member374]

> Prakash, I agree with you. IMHO the quality of some

> of the technical weblogs is disappointing, to say the

> least.

>

I am quite confident that through this forum thread, the comments in the Weblogs and some discussions we had in the background the quality of the Weblogs will go up within the next days.

> Why not separate the weblogs into different

> categories (technical, social, ...) with different

> amounts of bonus points and different review

> processes?

We have this separation already at least for categories. If you don't want the Humor at SAP Weblogs, you can bookmark or subscribe to the RSS feed of your favorite NetWeaver Topic. Example: Shortcut for ABAP Weblogs: https://www.sdn.sap.com/sdn/weblogs.sdn?blog=/weblogs/topic/29

RSS Feed for ABAP Weblogs:

http://weblogs.sdn.sap.com/pub/q/weblog_rss_topic?x-topic=29&x-ver=1.0

Also depending on your Weblogger selection in myWeblogs, the displayed content changes. Try it out:

https://www.sdn.sap.com/sdn/devnews.sdn?url=/view/x.blogs/star

All the best, Mark.

[Former Member]

I completely agree with Stephen's point and the example of internet that he gave and the user ratings. If only the ViewPoint Technology for Weblogs came from beta to existing, it would be a little more interesting.

The critics have been blatant and as rightly mentioned, the newcomers will now think twice, even if their weblog is of good content.

I also agree to the point, that some Weblogs make little sense and some weblogs are too difficult to follow with huge amounts of code(But then, again what is the better way !).

Lastly, I was just wondering, what the statistics about Top Companies is going to mean !

Regards,

Subramanian V.

[eddy_declercq]

Just fyi, the blog rating does already exist in the form of myBlogs:

https://www.sdn.sap.com/sdn/devnews.sdn?url=/view/x.blogs/star

[Former Member]

That of course is the drawback to complaining you risk the chance that others may choose to not post.

I hope this is not the case SDN has always shown it is a community of "second chances" and openness. Even the weblogs currently being "questioned" have comments offering suggestions about how to make things better and I hope the newcomers focus on that aspect of all of this instead of the overall negative feeling it all has.

[detlev_beutner]

Hi there,

just stumbled over this thread by reading Marks Weblog.

It is almost one year ago that I complained about the decreasing quality of the weblogs, assuming that 40 points are too much temptation to write some nonsense and to earn points ("as the weblogs are concerned it has lead to some really superfluous contributions; one should rethink about 40 points without quality checking" - see ).

In the meantime, the points one receives for a "Wow, woke up this morning and thaught JAVA. Thanks for listening. Bye."-Weblog have even raised, not seldom with many audience comments "Hi, great weblog, keep on waking up!" - "Thanks for sharing your impressions of your morning, best weblog ever read, learned so much!" and so on...

Two suggestions:

- Cut the weblog-points to a maximum of 30 points. Really, no more.

- To differentiate, introduce a ranking system, where only people of different companies are able to vote, so that employee A of company C cannot vote (5 stars) for the weblog of employee B of the same company C. This could result in a total points sum of 10, 20 or 30 points.

It's really a pity that there are a very few companies which behave really strange so that one like me suggests such strange precautions as in the second suggestion.

But the weblog area really has become somewhat bland, and that's not fair for the people who deliver really valuable content (which definitely still exists, but it becomes more and more like looking for a needle in a haystack...).

I'm really serious about it and if one day the weblog area will have raised it's overall quality level, I'll promise I'll write my first weblog.

Best regards

Detlev

[Former Member]

Come on Detlev October was hardly a year ago although pretty close as the next TechEd looms over our heads

You got good points I like your second suggestion their not allowing members of the same company to vote on a weblog, however since the issue came up again with specific cases sighted and alot of outspoken people I think you'll notice that the weblog area has settled back down again. But your points and comments should be remember and drilled into everyone's head as this is bascially as you point out the second time we've had an issue so I think perhaps some more focus should be put onto the subject from all sides and that perhaps a plan of action and can be made?

[former_member374]

Hi Prakash,

>Lately i have noticed some of the Weblogs have content directly taken from somebody else's content(website, articles, etc.)

This is of course not tolerated. Sometimes people don't know that there was already a post about xyz half a year ago, but if that is happening repeatedly or a word for word copy we will take action.

I have contacted Prakash to provide me with proof of this happening and we will follow up.

All the best, Mark.

[Former Member]

Thanks Mark, this is good to know!

[Former Member]

I for one won't gang up on you although it is sometimes fun

You have valid points, the use of others work in your material should be credited to the author and if at all possible the author should be informed you are doing it before hand. It's also a matter of ethics not to mention copyright laws.

As for the webloggers, part of me wants to say yes it should only be experts but the other part remembers that I started as a weblogger with almost no knowledge of SAP at all and so I was at that point classifed as a "newbie newbie" so if that was the rule then I would have never started writing my weblogs here and I think at least a few people like what I have written, I could be wrong though.

The weblogs need to have good solid content but it does not necessarily have to come from an expert, they are a medium for sharing knowledge, but I too have noticed in the last few months that the quality of the content has reduced and sometimes I read the weblog and I have to ask why did I just waste my time on that.

I've noticed there are (recently) several people from the same companies or same circles posting weblogs and replying with positive comments to each other thus boasting their rankings and company points - is it tied together it's hard to say. Which unfortunately, if it is the case, the reduced quality of weblogs might be because their is a rush for increased number of points.

I've tried in my own little way to try to promote better content in the weblogs, with a weblog, I wrote today: /people/sap.user72/blog/2005/06/28/sdn-weblogs-making-it-easier

So what can we as SDNer's do about the problem, without, bashing on every newbie or person with what we feel is inadequate content?

I think that a rating system of some sort is the idea and the instant awarding of points, if you take away the instant awarding of points though the user no longer has the link to the weblog in their "contributions" perhaps instantly awarding "2" points for a weblog would be better followed by SDN reviewing the ratings and content for additional points?

[Former Member]

It's funny we have noticed the same things, some of these people are writing weblogs as if their promotion or bonus was dependent on it.

You are correct that my frustration is with inadequate content. People are forgetting that this is SAP's SDN forum and you should share your knowledge in context of SAP's software applications.

Correct me if i am wrong, If you are going to writing something about JAVA then write how you have gotten your application to work on SAP's j2ee engine. Somethings that work on other J2EE might now work on SAP's J2EE.

[Former Member]

I'll give you that all weblogs should be in the context of SAP Applications since this is the <b>SAP</b> Developer Network, but at the same time if someone shows something about J2EE in one weblog I would hope they come back and show us how they got it to work with SAP systems in the next weblog.

If they continue I would then begin to say something about them needing it to be SAP related content.

How else can it be done?

[Former Member]

Hello Prakash,

I know it is unbelievable, but what you have said here is true in case of some contributors. I have heard that for some guys their bonus/appraisal is indeed dependent on the number of points they have made on SDN!!!

I really don't know what more to say...

Regards,

Anand Mandalika.

[Former Member]

Hopefully with the latest edtions posted in Mark's <a href="/people/mark.finnern/blog/2005/07/02/back that has all been taken care of.

[Former Member]

Hi Anand,

I was only guessing about the bonus/appraisal. If that is true then i hope these guys produce some quality weblogs for their good bonus/appraisal. I also think that they went a little overboard trying to attain the 25K points for their company.

Prakash

[maximilian_schaufler]

Detlev, you got a good point there, I want to take that idea further:

While limiting the points the user receives for the weblog itself, why not extend the point system in a way where referenced weblogs gain more points (because obviously others find them useful and recommend it).

If a forum post gets awarded some points, then do a check if there is a link to a weblog included - and if the writer of the awarded post is not the same as the weblog writer, then I think the awarded amount of points should go to the weblog as well as to the post.

This sure is not an addition to the system that can implemented during lunch break, but I think it would be worth it, reducing the base weblog points (and therefore reducing blog-just-to-gain-points entries), but still weblogs that stand out would get rewarded.

Max

[detlev_beutner]

Hi Max,

> and if the writer of the awarded post

> is not the same as the weblog writer

... and not from the same company ...

Otherwise I predict that there is the question "Does anyone know how late it is?" With the answer "Check the Weblog [link] about feelings of flies in mid winter. Maybe it helps."

Best regards

Detlev