TM - Personnel Subarea Grouping for Work Schedule and Daily Work Schedule

[Former Member]

Dear Experts

I am a bit confused about these two groupings which I know could be the basic in Time Management:

Group Personnel Subareas for the Work Schedule

Group Personnel Subareas for the Daily Work Schedule

I understood the first concept in - Group Personnel Subareas for the Work Schedule which states that if in a company PSA001 and PSA002 work according to the same work schedules then they are both assigned to say grouping 10 for example and if PSA003 has totally different working conditions then it is grouped under grouping 20.

But then what is the relevance of the next step -- Group Personnel Subareas for the Daily Work Schedule? Do we need to maintain them? There are two columns named PS Grouping and DWS Grouping and the number (grouping) is the same in both of them (like if PS Grouping is 01 then DWS Grouping is also showing 01). I am not getting this particular aspect.

Could you kindly throw some light on this with some examples that could help me understand better!

Thanks and Regards

Sameer

[former_member274797 · Accepted solution]

Hi Sameer,

Personnel Subarea grouping for the Work Schedule will group all the personnel subareas which will use the same work schedule rules.

Personnel Subarea grouping for Daily Work Schedule will group all the personnel subareas which will will use the same daily work schedule.

Ex: Personnel Subarea 0001 works Monday to Thursday (9:00 - 17:00 with 30 Mins paid break between 13:00 - 13:30) with Friday, Saturday and Sunday off and Personnel Subarea 0002 works Monday to Friday (9:00 - 17:00 with 30 Mins paid break between 13:00 - 13:30) with Saturday and Sunday off. As Personnel Subareas 0001 and 0002 have different work patterns, they will have different grouping for Work Schedule. But as both have the same number of daily working hours, start time, end time and break time, they will have the same grouping for Daily Work Schedule.

Thanks.

Sairam Maharaj

[former_member701721]

Hi Sameer,

The PSA grouping for Daily work schedule is the group of PSAs having same daily work schedule, means having same start time, end time, break time, tolerence time etc.

Ex. PSA 0001 is having daily workschedule like DAY1,  NIGH, OFF etc. and the same has PAS 0002. But both DAY1 has different start time and end time then it will not be grouped together.

As moving to PSA gping for Work schedule is the grouping of PSAs having same workschedule rule means having 1:1 maping. Will have same set of DWS and Start time and Starting Point also.

Regards,

Baidya

[Former Member]

Hi,

Greetings!

I have one confusion.....what if we have 3 different locations & in each location, some employees are working only in general shifts while others on night & few on a rotating shifts. Than in that case, what would be the best way to group for Work schedule & for DWS.

Any response is much appreciated..

Regards,

Shweta

[Former Member]

Thank You all for all your assistance and valuable knowledge sharing on this!

Regards

Sameer

[Former Member]

Hi.

Group Personnel Subareas for the Daily Work Schedule

Here you assign a personnel area grouping for daily work schedules to a personnel area grouping for work schedules

example:

Employees in personnel areas 0001 and 0002 have been assigned to personnel subarea grouping for work schedules 01. Employees in personnel area 0003 have been assigned to grouping 02. All three personnel areas are to use the same daily work schedules. You therefore assign personnel subarea grouping for daily work schedules 01 to personnel subarea groupings for work schedules 01 and 02.

[Former Member]

i am also confused like Sameer.

see we are maintaining PS Grouping with WS but we are mentioning DWS of 01, 02, or 03.

if we dont maintain then how we are maintaining the relationship of PS Grouping with DWS.

thanks

[Former Member]

hi sameer,

Group Personnel Subareas for the Work Schedule

if PSA001 & PSA002 have same same no: of working days, hours & same clock in and clock outs then we give same groupings. if PSA003 is showing any difference from PSA001, PSA002 then grouping for PSA003 changes.

                      ws grpng

PSA001            01

PSA002            01

PSA003            02

now ,

Group Personnel Subareas for the Daily Work Schedule

ps grpng (ws)           dws grpng

01                                 01

02                                 02

these are by default.

now coming to your question,

yes we have to maintain them.

in next configuration steps we need to assign groupings, where we have to assign both ws and dws groupings. if we give different groupings for ws & dws it becomes difficult to remember and there is more chance for confusion.

so we give same groupings

ps grpng(ws)                                  dws grpng

       01                                                 01

       02                                                 02

to be much clear, there is no such single screen where you are asked to enter both ws & dws grouping in next configuration steps.

Hope it is clear.

Regards,

Harita

[Former Member]

Hi Sameer,

Group Personnel Subareas for the Work Schedule

Group Personnel Subareas for the Daily Work Schedule

in the above IMG steps first you need to create the

Group Personnel Subareas for the Daily Work Schedule  then you have to configure the

Group Personnel Subareas for the Daily Work Schedule

and these are grouped as shown in the pic.

after this grouping you need to carry the same PS grouping for all the time management configuration , which will carry the DWS grouping ( or DWS Configuration)

Hope it is clear.

Regards,

Khaja

[harishtk1]

In addition to above explanations -

In practice, it is easier to just maintain a one-to-one correspondence for the Groupings for Daily Work Schedule and the Groupings for Work Schedule. Just because the flexibility exists in configuration, it is not mandatory to define the groupings in a different way.

Unless you are working for massive implementations with numerous local as well as international sites, you would probably find the same common Daily Work Schedules and Work Schedule rules in all groupings of Personnel Sub Areas.

Of course a lot depends on the exact requirements in your implementation.

Hope this helps.

[Former Member]

Hi Sushilkumar

Thanks for the reply. As I mentioned, I understood the first concept about Grouping Personnel Subareas for the Work Schedule.

Understanding what you mentioned, do you mean to say that in step 2 - Group Personnel Subareas for the Daily Work Schedule.... looking at my example above:

If PS Grouping is 10 for 0001 and 0002 then DWS Grouping should also show 10 and for 0003 if PS Grouping is 20 then DWS Grouping should also be 20?

Also, is it that we should first carry out Group Personnel Subareas for the Daily Work Schedule and thereafter do Group Personnel Subareas for the Work Schedule?

Would be glad if you could explain!

Regards

Sameer

[Former Member]

hi sameer

daily work schedule, break schedule and period schedule are defined commonly by daily work schedule group. and all personnel sub area following same work daily work schedule, break schedule and period schedule are grouped together with daily work schedule group.

in your example-If PS Grouping is 10 for 0001 and 0002 and for 0003 if PS Grouping is 20 . then if all three personnel sub area 0001, 0002, and 0003 follow same daily work , period work and break schedule then we assign it to work schedule grouping in table T508Z.

ps grouping for work schdule    daily workscedule

10                                                 01

20                                                 01

vishal

[Former Member]

Defination :

A personnel subarea grouping for work schedules is a grouping of personnel subareas with the same work schedule rules.

One or more groupings for work schedules can form a personnel subarea grouping for daily work schedules.

Use :

The personnel subarea grouping for work schedules, the Holiday ID and the Employee subgroup grouping for work schedules form a key for the work schedule rule.

This allows you to define different organizational groups for work schedules within the same public holiday calendar, for example.

Examples :

The work schedule rule Flextime for personnel subareas 0001 and 0002 should be identical.They are both assigned grouping 01. The work schedule rule Flextime for personnel subarea 0003 should be assigned different values. Grouping 02 is therefore allocated to personnel subarea 0003.

Sushilkumar.M