Installation of Sandbox System

[Private_Member_19084]

Hi experts,

I've to setup a sandbox system.

As we don't want a system copy of our productive system, I've to install the sandbox like a new ERP System.

Following criteria:

ERP 6.0 with EHP 5
Netweaver 7.0 with EHP 2

Database = Oracle 11.2.0.2.0

OS HP-UX ia 64

I already found the setup-guide:

https://websmp104.sap-ag.de/~sapidb/011000358700000749222010E

As I don't have the installation media physically, I have to download it from SMP (Page 58).

Therefore I found the following list (which is for 605).

https://websmp104.sap-ag.de/~sapdownload/011000358700001229092011E/ERP_MG_MEDIA_LIST_EHP5.pdf

But this list includes so many media names.

So can someone tell me, which files from this list I have to download from SMP?

Thix would be great

Thx in advance

Kind regards

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hi Christian,

Please download the following:

51039090_1 to 51039090_12 (Installation Export)

51040879_2 (Installation Master) (HP-UX IA/64-Oracle 11)

51039102_14 (SL Controller 720)

51039102_4 (Unicode Kernel)

Apart from this download cryptographic S/W (if planning to use).

Hopefully this is exhaustive list.

Regards.

Ruchit Khushu

[Private_Member_19084 · Accepted solution]

Hi Ruchit,

many thanks for the fast answer.

Another question.

I would like to install the sandbox on a server, on which is already a sap system running (with own db).

I know that this is possible.

Do you know a guide for this case or any tipps, which I have to consider?

Thx

[Private_Member_19084]

SAPInst was succesful!

Thx to all for great help!

[Private_Member_19084]

oh Sorry,

I think the needed files are they (1 to 8):

51040502_1   ORACLE RDBMS 11.2.0.2 HPUX IA64 1 of 8

or?

Kind regards

[Private_Member_19084]

Oh thx for help,

Sorry for my late replay, but I was not in the house last week.

As written above, I downloaded the following:

51039090_1 to 51039090_12 (Installation Export)

51040879_2 (Installation Master) (HP-UX IA/64-Oracle 11)

51039102_14 (SL Controller 720)

51039102_4 (Unicode Kernel)

But now, sapinst asks me for "Oracle RDBMS112".

Is this included in one of the media above, if yes, please tell me which Directory I've to use.

Is it "Installation Master"->IM_HPUX_IA64 ?

If not, which media do I have to download?

I found nothing service.sap.com for RDBMS 112.

Many thx for great support in this thread!

[Private_Member_19084]

Hi guys,

and now a realy stupid question.

In sapinst, do I have to install the SAP NetWeaver before?

Or is it enough to install Enhancement Package 5 for SAP ERP 6.05 ?

( I mean is NW included in this or do I have to execute sapinst twice (first NW and after that ERP?)

Thx

[former_member192421]

Hi Christian,

You don't need to install two times. NW is included in ECC.

Thanks.

Rajkumar

[Private_Member_19084]

Aaannndddd, another question lol

I read, that I only have to create sapmnt and usr/sap directory.

All other directories the system will create on there own with sapinst.

As there is already a sap-system running on this machine, the directories exists - so I don't have to create them.

I could see, that the system needs around 9gb for /usr/sap/<new_sapsid>.

And also could see at the already running system, that /usr/sap/ is using another file system then usr/sap/<existing_sapsid>.

/usr/sap = /dev/vg00/lvol7

/usr/sap/<existing_sapsid> = /dev/vg<sapsid>/lvol1

So how many space will sapinst reserve for /usr/sap/<new_sapsid> ?

I guess it will create the filesystem /dev/vg<new_sapsid>... , or?

Kind regards

[Former Member]

Hi,

As mentioned in the guide, approx 9GB or lesser space would be required for the new system's /usr/sap/SID folder. Also the new filesystem related details would be handled by SAPInst. Please make sure there is enough free space in the /usr/sap mounted filesystem. Rest SAPInst would take care of.

Regards,

Srikishan

[Private_Member_19084]

Thx for answer.

So I only have to check direcotry sapmnt, usr/sap and oracle for enough space and
all directories in there will be created automatically?
Because if I check usr/sap for enough space and sapinst creates there a directory using another filesytem, it maybe that the other fs has not enough space, or can't this be?

Thx, 1000 times for help

Kind regards

[Former Member]

Hi Christian,

You can have a plain cake and one with icing on top !

Theoratically you can go ahead with 3 large /sapmnt, /usr/sap and /oracle file systems.

However not the smartest approach and not the most asthetic either.

What this approach means is that everything you would be using would be 3 disks(or LUNs) excluding one for the OS. Now SAP and Oracle both recommend having origlog (Original Online Re-dos) and mirrlog (Mirrored online redos) on seperate disks so as to have protection for entre disk/lun failure. So in Oracle LUN fails you would would also both your orig logs and mirr logs !

Similarily the performance won't be so grea. You may want to keep your SAPDATA areas of seperate LUNs. Now you may ask with superior SAN technolgy is this needed nowadays ? However this approach is still relevant since there is limit to the speed at which disks can rotate.

Of course this is a test system but I mean we can use some planning and aesthetics here as well to give a  decent enough system!

Regards.

Ruchit

[Private_Member_19084]

Hi Ruchit,

thx for answer. Yes I understand what you mean.

As we already have a system where /usr/sap uses another files system than /usr/sap/<sapsid>, I guess the directory /usr/sap/<sapsid> was created manually before the sapinst installation or?

So I can also create the directories in /usr/sap/ manually and start sapinst after that or?

But what happens, when I fortget a directory. I guess, this directory will then be created on the mounted fs (e.g. on /usr/sap/) automatically or?

Kind regards and many thx

[Former Member]

Hi Christian,

Well that is good old unix. So if SAPinst find that no file system has been mounted for mount point /usr/sap/<sapsid> it will create the sub-directory <sapsid> om the same file system where /usr/sap is mounted and yes it will create the sub-directory and all such sub directories.Well let us not forget SApinst is run using root user and that in the background takes care of permissions.

This is a sandbox so may be you can relax a bit .But if I were you I would  create a seperate file system for /usr/sap<new sapsid>.

C'mon get the installation started already 🙂

Regards. 

Ruchit.

[Private_Member_19084]

Thx Ruchit,

today I will start the installation - hope the best

It's my first installation.

I will give you an update

Nice day

[Private_Member_19084]

Hi Ruchit,

last question before installation.

Should I use the global /usr/sap/trans also for the sandbox?

I guess I have to use this directory for transport or?

Or can I also define a local trans directory like /usr/sap/trans2 for the sandbox only.

Because as it is an sandbox system I don't want to link it with the global transport directory.

But I all I could read, is that we can only use ONE global transport directory for all system, or?

Kind regards

[Private_Member_19084]

sooo

We had to change a few things on our server, before starting the installation.

Today we will start.

another question now:

- sapinst also installs the "diagnostic agent" as /usr/sap/<dasid>

We already have on another system an diagnostic agent called DAA (/usr/sap/DAA).

My question now is, can I name the diagnostic agent on my new installation also DAA or must it be an own id ?

Thx in advance

[Former Member]

Hi Christian,

The thumb rule is one diagnostics agent per host. So if a diagnostics agent is already existing SAPinst wouldn't normally try to install another one unless the existing one is of a lower release. So no conflict should arise. However if it does for some reason (or may SAPinst is trying to install a higher release) you can give any SID of your choice. DAA is just default. You might have it CHR or RUC for that matter

Regards.

Ruchit

[Private_Member_19084]

Hi Ruchit,

thx for great help again.

no, DAA is not installed on this host - it is installed no another host.

My question was, is it a problem when I also call it DAA and it exists on another host?

But I doubt.

Kind regards

[Former Member]

Hi Christian,

No problems in this case. You can name it DAA as well.

Regards.

Ruchit Khushu

[Private_Member_19084]

No i started sapinst with -nogui option.

But I get an error:

vxfs: msgcnt 6 mesg 001: V-2-1: vs_nospace - <name of fs> file system full <512 block extent> iaex not enough space left on device

I can se the fs, but which directory is meant there?

Another thing, for running the gui localy I downloaded Master DVD for IM_WINDOWS_X86_64, hope this is correct.

Thx

[Former Member]

Hi Christian,

Since it is coming at the beginning of the installation I believe the temp filesystem is full. The temp file system depends on the value of environment variable "TEMP". By default it would /tmp or else whatever value you have set in Unix session from where you launched SAPinst. Ensure sufficient free space (`10 GB) is available to you temp location.

Further you have downloaded DVD for 64 bit and most likely your PC would be 32 bit. So it won't work. Moreover you don't need the entire installation master DVD just sapinstgui download would suffice. Assuming you have 32 bit system download 51033240_41 (it contain 32 bit sapinstgui).

Regards.

Ruchit Khushu

[Private_Member_19084]

No I have an 64-bit pc. So it should be correct.

You are right, the fs is much to small.

Another thing.

Yesterday I started sapinst ones without option -nogui.

After extracting I get an error, but I was not able to enter a command or abort sapinst on another way. So I aborted the telnet-connection.

Was this ok?

Or how can I abort sapsinst corretly at a problem like this?

Kind regards

[Former Member]

Hi Christian,

Aborting telnet isn't enough. SAPinst processes would be running at OS level. You should kill those as well.

Regards.

Ruchit.

[Private_Member_19084]

Yes but how?

I could not see the process with "ps" command.

How can I get access again to the running sapinst?

I know how to access it via the sapinstgui, but I executed the sapinst without option -nogui.

Kind regards

[Private_Member_19084]

ohhh

I think you are right.

I guess /tmp is full, as I executed sapinst ones without -nogui and aborted the telnet connection.

So I guess, that directories are already extracted to /tmp and so it is full.

But as already written.

How can I cancel now sapinst correctly or in other words, how can I clear up the /tmp directory?

Is it done, when I cancel sapinst correctly?

Kind regards

[Former Member]

hi Christian,

you can clear your old files from /tmp directory.

or if you want to retain the files in /tmp directory, you can set new TEMP variable, where the enough space is available.

export TEMP=<new path which has enough space>

OR

setenv TEMP <new path which has enough space>

after that restart your sapinst.

regd/Lata

[Private_Member_19084]

But isn't it a problem, that this files are not realy "old"?

This files are from yestedays sapinst, where I got an error and terminated the telnetconnection.

Next I guess, that sapinst will overwrite them, so I don't realy have to delete them or?

But how can I check now, if sapinst is still running or not?

And how can I cancel it?

With ps I can't see it.

Kind regards

[Former Member]

hi,

you can run ps -ef | grep sapinst   you will find the processes running for sapinst

then kill those processes by using command kill <process id> and now you can restart ur sapinst

[Private_Member_19084]

ok sapinst is not running.

So it seems, as it was terminated by it self yesterday.

Do you think it is better to delete the directories, which are created yesterday or let them, as sapinst will overwrite?

Kind regards and many thx for great help

[Former Member]

hi,

if you have enough space around 10gb in default temp directory ie /tmp, then you can use the same.. No need to delete the sapinst directories as sapinst will overwrite those..

[Private_Member_19084]

Hi guys,

and now a realy stupid question.

In sapinst, do I have to install the SAP NetWeaver before.

Or is it enough to install Enhancement Package 5 for SAP Erp 6.0 ?

( I mean is NW included in this?)

Thx

[former_member192421]

Hi Christian,

Another TIPs

Using Virtualization technology you can install SAND Box system in existing QA/Testing system.

But in this case you will need more hardware resourses so that the QA/Testing system is not affected.

Install a virtualization software like VMware(opt for server based). Using this software, install another OS on it then, as usual install Oracle->SAP (general installtion of SAP).

Regards,

Rajkumar

[Private_Member_19084]

Hi guys,

now I have a realy stupid question.

As I've not used sapinst till now, I don't know how it works.

I don't mean how to use it, my question is another one.

If I understood it correctly, I will download the media and after that I will copy the sources to the server.

Next I will access the server via telnet (as it is an HP-UX system) and start sapinst.

(after doing preparation, of course)

I always could see, that sapinst is a program with a gui.

So my question is, will this gui start on my local pc also when I access the server via telnet?

Or is there an separate user interface, which will be displayed in telnet.

Kind regards

Christian

[Former Member]

Hi,

Yes you will need a graphics utility software which would enable you to access graphics based programs running on *nix based servers.

MobaXterm is one such software. There are several others with similar capability.

Regards,

Srikishan

[Former Member]

Hi Christian,

There are 2 ways of do it:

1. You use X-windows feature. This would need an X-windows software. Many are available in the market for example Humming Bird. You need to start the X-windows instance on your local PC. Next you will set the DISPLAY environment variable and start SAPinst with root user id. A SAPinst Gui would open on your local PC.

2. You download sapinstgui for your PC OS/Platform and then start sapinst on your HP-UX server with -nogui option. Then you start sapinstgui of you local machine and try connecting to the HP server. This is a typical client-server model where sapinst running om HP server is a kind of server listening in coming requests while sapinstgui acts as a client.

Good news is this process is elaborately described in all installation guides (I think under section start sapinst). Please go through that as well.

With Regards.

Ruchit Khushu.

[Private_Member_19084]

Good morning,

two another questions, I hope the last one.

As already written, I will install the sandbox on an already used machine.

The installed system on this server is our quality/test system.

Is it a problem, if users are working on this system while the installation is running?

Not or? Because the system don't knows the other one, or?

Only performance maybe weaker.

And oracle will also be installed with the installation guide with sapinst or?
In other words, the oracle database instance will also be installed with sapinst, or?

Kind regards and many thx for help

[Former Member]

Hello Christian,

Coming to first question. This where sizing comes into picture. You hardware must be sufficiently robust to host 2 SAP systems. In that case there should no performance issues post installation. During installation also there should be no issues ideally except for some  drop in ABAP import phase but if hardware is good enough it won't be noticable. Ideally I would suggest doing installation at a time when existing system is not that busy (anyways it is a quality system so not too many concerns actually).

Coming to second question Oracle database software has to be installed like you did for existing system and then database instance creation would be taken care by SApinst.

Regards.

Ruchit.

[Former Member]

Hi,

As Ruchit already mentioned - I would second that, the sizing would come into picture for both system running in parallel. And would recommend to perform the second installation on off-days, perhaps weekend. Because the users on the installed system are bound to face performance issues during a new installation.

For the oracle installation, the SAPInst would guide to through the procedure. You would get a prompt during the SAPInst run, where it would list the step required for Oracle installation. After performing these you would come back and continue the SAPInst. No further steps are necessary. Also would recommend to check the Installation guide - as you might need to update latest Oracle Patches/SBPs.

Regards,

Srikishan

[Former Member]

Hi,

Please note that after installation via SAPInst you will get only a 'EhP5 Ready' system with Netweaver components like (SAP-BASIS, SAP-ABA etc) on 702 level and core ECC (like SAP_APPL) components at 605 levels. For applying EhP5 to other specific components, you will need the Material 51036979_*. Use SAINT to apply the remaining components.

Regards,

Srikishan

[Private_Member_19084]

Hi Srikishan,

many thanks for this tipp.

Maybe you already read my answer today to Ruchit, that I want to install the Sandbox on a server, on which is already one sap system running.

Can I follow the installation guide?
https://websmp104.sap-ag.de/~sapidb/011000358700000749222010E

Or is there another specific guide?

Kind regards and thx for help

[Former Member]

Hi Christian,

In my opinion, the guide/procedure remains the same. ERP EhP5 has a minimal operating system/database software version requirements as mentioned in the guide too. You would need to make sure that your current setup suffices this as well. If yes, then your database installation steps are saved. If no, then you may need to plan an upgrade of the OS/DB which would result in migrating the existing system to this new OS/DB version.

Regards,

Srikishan

[Private_Member_19084]

Thx for answer,

i think this should not be a problem.

As the existing sap system is also 605 with oracle.

But don't you think, that the new installation will overwrite the existing system?

(I've not read the full guide untill now, maybe it's answered therein)

Thx for help

Kind regards

[Former Member]

Hi Christian,

A separate database instance for the new system will be created. Also a separate Oracle home directory will be created. Yes the guide would cover these and SAPInst will also prompt you for creation of new DB instance and other activities like defining home directories for the new instance.

Regards,

Srikishan

[Private_Member_19084]

Once again, many thanks for answer.

Last question, for today lol

Next I will download the sources.

My question is, what means in "ehp5 for sap erp 6.0 Installation Export" the word export?

I also thought that this is the correct media, but the filename was confusing for me.

Kind regards

[Former Member]

Hi Christian,

The export is meant to contain contents which would be used to build up your new installed system's database. The content is ofcourse in the form of tables containing SAP system related data.

The media is termed as export because it is actually created by exporting content from a reference SAP internal system on which the content was developed and refined Hope this clarifies.

Regards,

Srikishan