Inspection with multiple single values .

[former_member1244710]

Dear Gurus ,

Our client wants to carry out result recording such that there are multiple values(beginning middle and end ) of the results for the the same MIC .

what kind of config and master settings would be needed for the same .

Ram

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

hi,

U may use Dependent Characterstics or say multiple specifications concept here specific to Customer, Vendor and as per the region or country specific.

If u want to use against Prdn order than u may use the different task list.

Regards

[former_member1244710 · Accepted solution]

Thank you all for your prompt answers

Amol Thanks for your answer.. Will check the option suggested by you. Jagadeeshan and smruti . I donu2019t think creating individual MICs or operations would be a good option. The user wants to record results in the same screen against the same MIC.

krishna thanks alot for your learned and detailed analysis . You got me right we want the average also apart from the three values

Amol thanks for the link of multiple specifications. I will certainly go through it. For me the specification is same just that 3 results are recorded for some MIC and they are averaged. So each value and average has to be seen in RR screen.

I have another solution that I have found out and its working fine.

I have created a sampling scheme with attributive inspection and normal severity. For each lot size I have assigned 3 samples. Each value of C is 0 and d is 1. With this I am able to get three samples beginning middle and end and record results.

*How ever Im not sure how one can get average of those 3 results in the RR screen. Any idea?

*Ram

[former_member221025 · Accepted solution]

Dear Ramakrishna,

I have created a sampling scheme with attributive inspection and normal severity. For each lot size I have assigned 3 samples. Each value of C is 0 and d is 1. With this I am able to get three samples beginning middle and end and record results.

What I understand is, You have assigned Sampling procedure with Sample size 3, and you are using MICs with "Single result recording" Ticked.

So, while result recording, If lot size is Greater than 3 system allows you to record 3 results for one characteristic.

if you check, System also calculates Average which you can see Just above your 3 results.(Row with Characteristic Name)

if this is not the case, You can Use Formula to calculate Average. i dont think you will need that.

Regards,

Amol

[former_member1244710 · Accepted solution]

Thanks Amol and krishna ,

Incidantly we do have another scenario where upto 30 values for the same characteristics are needed particularly during production . It is also needed that that the test results for each of these MICs should have average . that can be picked up and shown in the COA ..

Kindly give me the detailed step by step procedure for Inspection point configuration and master settings .

Ram

[former_member221025 · Accepted solution]

Dear Ramakrishna,

i will share what i wd have thought to do,

If you can enter all 30 values at the same Time: (In this case Start value, middle value, end value cant be entered)

1. Create MICs, Set "Single result recording".

2. Use sampling procedure with sample size 30.

3. Record results, average for 30 values can be picked from MITTELWERT-QAMR table. Use it in COA.

other wise

1. Create Inspection point.Maintain user fields as you want.

2. If you want to enter Start value, middle value, end value for same characteristic then as you are already using it, use Sampling procedure with sample size 3, and Record Start value, middle value, end value. This will be for 1 inspection point.

3. Now follow the same to Enter the results for 30 inspection points at different intervals during production.

4. measured values, average you can get from QASR, QAMR Tables. Copy it in COA.

regards,

Amol

[former_member1244710 · Accepted solution]

Dear Amol ,

Thank you , I am able to get as many as 30 values in the Result recording screen along with averages .

Any idea if result entry in RR , Valuation of MICs and closing of characteristics can be separated through authorisation objects ?

What I mean to say is on the client site three different people will be doing these activities and authroisations should be clearly defined .

Ram

[krishnamurty_madduri]

Hi,

I am really impressed with the number of options suggested for this problem !

Ram's problem was: the client wants to record results at the begining, middle and end. Ram: Do you want that the characteristic be evaluated based on the avarage of the three readings (results) or only one ?

If so, the Inspection Point is the best suited one for your requirement. Even if you want to evaluate the characteristic based on the last recording, this would be the best.

Other methods suggested viz:

multiple specs: is most suited when you want the same characteristic - when viewed in different contexts (Ex. Customer/country/Pharmacoepia)

Operations: not suited here since it is meant for different operations like: testing done at different labs (Microbiology, chemistry etc)

Separate MIC: This could be the next best option to Inspection points. However, if the characteristic is to be valuated based on the summarized average results from begining-middle-end, this won't help.

So, Inspection Point concept happens to be the best suited one here.

Regards, KrishnaM

[krishnamurty_madduri]

Hi,

I am really impressed with the number of options suggested for this problem !

Ram's problem was: the client wants to record results at the begining, middle and end. Ram: Do you want that the characteristic be evaluated based on the avarage of the three readings (results) or only one ?

If so, the Inspection Point is the best suited one for your requirement. Even if you want to evaluate the characteristic based on the last recording, this would be the best.

Other methods suggested viz:

multiple specs: is most suited when you want the same characteristic - when viewed in different contexts (Ex. Customer/country/Pharmacoepia)

Operations: not suited here since it is meant for different operations like: testing done at different labs (Microbiology, chemistry etc)

Separate MIC: This could be the next best option to Inspection points. However, if the characteristic is to be valuated based on the summarized average results from begining-middle-end, this won't help.

So, Inspection Point concept happens to be the best suited one here.

Regards, KrishnaM

[Former Member]

Hi,

If you like to reacord results at begining,middle and end. better you can create separate MIC and attached to inspection plan.

based on that you can reacord results.

[Former Member]

Hi If you want to record 3 values for the MIC you can create 3 operations in the inspection plan as

operation 10 - Inspection at begining

Operation 20 - Inspection in the MIddle

operation 30 - Inspection at end

Now you assign the MIC for all the operaions. Then you ll be able to record the results 3 times.

Else you can use Inspection point concept for the same

[former_member221025]

Dear Ramakrishna,

There is another Way,

you can use Multiple specification. You can set different specifications for same MIC.

Refer http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/2004a166-0a75-2c10-0caf-dc63b76c6...

Follow all the steps.

Regards,

Amol

[Former Member]

Hi amol, I think this is basically to assign multiple spec to the mic but the result recording is only once..and based on the spec we can decide if it is suitable for any perticular spec..

Can you please let me know if we can use it for recording results 3 times..I am also facing the same issue and i ahve suggested them to go for operations.. If any perticular setting is required please let me know..

[former_member221025]

Dear Smruti,

You are right, it will not be useful in this case.

Regards,

Amol

[former_member221025]

Dear Ramakrishna,

standard way to achieve this is to use Inspection Points.

Create one Inspection point with Text User fields as

Beginning

Middle

End

and maintain this inspection point in your inspection plan.

For creating inspection point go to

SPRO>IMG>QM>Quality Planning>inspection plannin>General>Define Identifier for inspection points.

Regards,

Amol