PPDS PDS Does not reflect the Planned Delivery Time details

[Former Member]

Here is the case:

For a Product-Location combination, I can see Planned Delivery Time (value) in Product view page RRP3. I can also see the same Planned Delivery Time (value) in SNP PDS. But, when I check the PPDS PDS, I don't find the Planned Delivery Time details anywhere!

(I view the PDS through /SAPAPO/CURTU_SIMU transaction.)

Why doesn't the PPDS PDS display the Planned Delivery Time details? In case it does, how to find it?

[tiago_furlanetto · Accepted solution]

The difference between PP/DS and SNP in this case is that in PP/DS we do not create an activity/mode to represent the Planned Delivery Time in Subcontracting PDSs.

The value is still sent to APO and is considered in planning, though, when a subcontracting planned order is created with the PP/DS PDS: if it contains no activities, a dummy activity must be created during PDS explosion - the duration of the dummy activity will be the PDT defined for the PDS. If PDT in the PDS is 0, then PDT defined in the Product master will be used.

Unfortunately, I do not think that there is a way to display this in /SAPAPO/CURTO_SIMU, but perhaps you can see the value by following steps below:

1) Open transaction SE24 and display class /SAPAPO/CL_CURTO_DB.

2) Navigate into method GET_CLUSTER and put a breakpoint somewhere in the coding.

3) Call transaction /SAPAPO/CURTO_SIMU, make a selection and confirm. The available PDS will be displayed.

4) Select the relevant PDS. The debugger will start. You will find yourself in method GET_CLUSTER of class /SAPAPO/CL_CURTO_DB.

5) Press F7 and check return parameter gs_cluster. In this structure you can see the assigned planned delivery time within following field: gs_cluster-CLUSTER_REF->HIRARCHY-ADD_APPLICTN_DATA[1]-SETTINGS-PLIFZ

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Thanks a lot for your reply.

I am getting back to some of the queries/clarifications sought by many members in this thread:

1) PDS in general is not needed for externally procured materials, but in our system we are using PDS for externally procured materials - subcontracting materials.

2) PDT can be checked in TLanes, but for subcontracting materials, we are not using TLanes.

3) In SNP PDS, we are able to view PDT data. Since no Routing is assigned to Production Version in R/3 (for sub-con material), the SNP PDS takes PDT data from material master and this is populated as set-up time. This is how we are able to see PDT data in SNP PDS. (In our case we create PDS based on only BOM and no Routing is assigned to prod. version)

4) We are not using SNP PDS / PPDS PDS for checking the PDT duration. Currently we are using SNP PDS for subcontracting products. SNP PDS is used to create Planned order for these sub-con products. Later on this Planned order is converted to Purchase requisition.

If availability date of a Planned order is 10.12.2011 and PDT is 10 days then the start date of the order should be 01.12.2011. This same requirement we want to achieve with PPDS Planned order as well.

If we CIF PPDS PDS also to APO then users will get the flexibility to edit the Planned orders in APO Product view. In current scheme of things if they change any existing order qty or create a new planned order using RRP3 view then that Planned order is seen as u201CPl Ord with Missing Source of Supplyu201D...

I would request the experts to go through the above update/clarification and then share what they think about this issue...

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

K,

??? You have described how your system is working. What's the issue? Planned delivery time in PP/DS comes from the Product Master, not the PDS/PPM. If you are using the subcontracting scenario in SNP, and you want to convert to PP/DS orders, then you will need to send all the subcon master data to SCM.

Best Regards,

DB49

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hi DB,

We wanted to know if there is a way to have PDT data in PPDS PDS also, like we have it for SNP PDS.

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

K,

I don't know, I have never tried it. The only time PDS will be created as such is when there is no routing, and I would never do that.

I suggest you try it. SAP help implies that it is possible, but it doesn't specifically say that it will do so for a PP/DS PDS. If you are unsuccessful, then raise a message with SAP.

Best Regards,

DB49

[tiago_furlanetto · Accepted solution]

Hi K.

The PDT is transfered to the PP/DS PDS as well, but

1) it will not be represented with an activity like in SNP

2) it will not be visible in /SAPAPO/CURTO_SIMU

and 3) it will only be considered during order creation if the PDS has no activities (e.g. no routing assigned to the production version, like Dogboy49 said).

The only way that I know of to check if the PDT was sent to the PPDS PDS is to go through the steps from my last reply.

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Thanks a lot Tiago. Your both replies were very helpful and in exact understanding with the issue here. I shall try to follow those and come back with my experience.

Our intention is that if a PPDS order is created (i.e. Planned order created directly in Product view of APO) then PDT should be considered while calculating the Start date of the order.

Expectation is that in case of PPDS order also, Order Start date = Order Availability date u2013 PDT (This happens in case of SNP Order).

[m_manimaran]

Hi,

The PDS is the SoS for Inhouse production only. Where in SNP PDS do you see the planned delivery time? PDT is required only to plan external procurement.

And one more doubt is that why do you need PDS for externally procuring materials?

Please check and revert.

Regards,

Manimaran M.

[Former Member]

Thanks Manimaran for your reply..

I am seeing the PDT data in SNP PDS by going to CURTU_SIMU transaction and then Activities tab --> Details --> Modes

There are two fields Dur. (V) and Dur (F). I can see that PDT figure (duration) is appearing in Dur (F) (F for Fixed and V for Variable)

I understand that these fields of Duration are actually "Activity Duration" (F or V), but for all material-plants in our system, we see that those have Activity type C which correspond to Operation type 10 and the operation description field tells (Generated Operation (Planned Delivery Time). So I thought activity duration would be same as PDT in our case...

I agree that we don't need PDS for an Externally Procured Materials. But I got this question in general and was searching for an explanation.

[Former Member]

K,

Planned delivery time is generally only relevant for externally procured products. Why would you want to see Planned delivery time in a PDS?

Planned delivery time for a product location is stored in the Product Master for PP/DS.

Planned delivery time for a product can also be stored in a transportation lane.

Best Regards,

DB49

[Former Member]

Thanks a lot for your reply DB49.

The material for which I was trying to see, is of procurement type external procurement only.

The question is like while SNP PDS displays PDT data, why doesn't the PPDS PDS also have this field?