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ITALY Mandatory changes in VAT declarations, Intrastat, Spesometro and black list

Nov 15, 2016 at 10:50 AM

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Former Member

Hi All,

Did you heard something about the new file to produce on a quaterly basis for VAT in Itlay ?

See Law Decree No 193 of the 22nd of October 2016. It must be in place for 2017.

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Cristian Catena May 23, 2017 at 07:02 AM
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Hi,

new note 2470594 - Italy: Periodic VAT Return as of 2017 has been released.

Cheers

Cristian

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Thanks for your post. This note integrate oss note 247690. Now it seems all more complete.

Note 247690 is updated whith the new deadline set to 12th of june, but as wrote by Francesco De Lillo it is not an official and confirmated date. A greater extension is possible, but at the moment the only official date is still 31st of may.

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Former Member Mar 02, 2017 at 03:14 AM
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Hello All

I am wondering the same, do you know if SAP AG is working in a standard solution to meet this requirement?

Thanks

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Pablo Casamayor Mar 03, 2017 at 10:54 AM
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Hi,

this has just appeared today:

2316852 - RFIDITVCL (Spesometro): Customer Exit Section TU

Best regards,

Pablo

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This one has appeared today(This note is relevant only for country Spain):

2436501 - RFIDITVCL (Spesometro) - Technical Note

Best regards,

Pablo

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Former Member Apr 18, 2017 at 09:06 AM
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Agenzia delle Entrate has released two requirement on last two weeks:

1) "Comunicazione delle liquidazioni periodiche IVA" that is the new VAT Declaration. The requirement is only in draft: I think SAP is waiting for a definitive version

2) "Comunicazione delle Fatture Emesse e Ricevute" that is the new "Spesometro/Black list": the requirement is definitive and I think SAP start working on it.

Both declaration will be in XML format.

The two notes reminded by Pablo are not for these new declarations: 2316852 - RFIDITVCL (Spesometro): Customer Exit Section TU is for the old spesometro (fiscal year 2016); 2436501 - RFIDITVCL (Spesometro) - Technical Note is for Spain and not for Italy.

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Former Member

Good evening Lorenzo, therefore, regarding the periodic liquidation communication Iva, SAP did not issue any notes at the moment, even a "pilot" note?
Thank you
Leonardo

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Hi Leonardo,

unfortunately both for VAT declaration and "Spesometro" there are no pilot notes currently.

For VAT Declaration there are rumours about a possible extension of the may 31 terms, but are only speculations, nothing about an official delay.

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Hi Lorenzo,

do you know if there are any news about :

2) "Comunicazione delle Fatture Emesse e Ricevute" that is the new "Spesometro/Black list": the requirement is definitive and I think SAP start working on it.

I can't find anything.

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Former Member May 04, 2017 at 10:46 AM
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Hi all,

an update on Agenzia delle Entrate specifics:

at the following link you can download the model and instruction for VAT periodic liquidation:

Modello e istruzioni - Comunicazione liquidazioni periodiche IVA

for technical specification (for xml and xsd schemas) you have to click on "Specifiche tecniche" link.

On the above link you'll find information both for the "new spesometro" and for the "vat periodic liquidation". Be careful that 90% of documentation refers to the new "Spesometro", but the link Provvedimento del 27 marzo 2017 contains technical specifications for Vat periodic liquidation.

A second link SpecificheIVP17 - zip contains a ZIP file with the XSD contro schema for the VAT period liquidation XML file.

Keep in mind that Black List declaration is repealed: all invoinces referred to old black list country must be inserted in "new spesometro" model.

On the SAP Support sites there are no news yet about notes or pilote notes.

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Claudia Ferretti May 10, 2017 at 10:35 AM
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Hi all,

I just found this note : 2470690 - Quarterly Vat declaration.

It has released yesterday.

Claudia

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Former Member

Hi all,

i try to do the steps in the note, but when I execute transaction FOTED2 to define parameters values for Electronic Data Transmission, my table is empty. I can't put any parameters.

Someone have the same problem?

Thanks

Massimiliano

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Hi Massimiliano,

I have the same problem. Do you resolve it?

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Former Member

Hi all,

Reviewing OSS note 2470690 you have the below:

Preliminary steps are independent from the note that will be published in the next days, it means that this activity should be done before notes availbality

Looks like the solution provided by SAP will be complemented with further OSS notes in the next days.

Regards

Roberto

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Former Member

Hi all,
now is possible to add the data. The note 2470690 is referenced by the note 2470594.

The note 2470594 has as pre-requisite the note 2473632.
After these implementations, is possible to add the information in FOTED2.

I've done all the rest of customizing as indicates the guide present in the note 2470690.

The transaction FOTV now works perfectly.

Thanks

Massimiliano

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Former Member May 10, 2017 at 02:53 PM
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Thank you Claudia,

I checked the oss note [2470690 - Quarterly Vat declaration] but seems that you need to update entries in table FOTPARREFC in order to be able to set up the customizing in transaction FOTED2.

Table FOTPARREFC is currently empty for country 'IT' : does anyone know which are the entries to be done? note 2470690 does not provide any info about that...

Davide

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Hi,

I have the same problem. Table FOTPARREFC empty for Italy.

Thank you

Anna

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Hi

Same problem also for me. Transaction FOTED2 without possibility to enter information for IT

Thank you

Cristina

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Hi,

i just updated table FOTPARREFC via tcode SE16N copying the entries already available for GB.

Cheers

Cristian

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Thank you Cristian.

But entries for GB (except for Tax payer registration number) are completely different from the parameters of Italian communication.

Did you change labels? Did you test this solution?

Thanks

Anna

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Former Member

There are these parameters in the guide:

Is possible the note is not complete?

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Former Member May 12, 2017 at 01:18 PM
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oss note 2470690 has received today (may 12th) an update: a possible delay to june 15th

the note contains some word about that (in italian, see below):

UPDATE 12/05/17

Il vice ministro dell’Economia Casero ha annunciato la possibile proroga amministrativa della comunicazione liquidazione IVA 2017 rispetto alla scadenza originaria del 31 maggio. Si attende un probabile provvedimento del Direttore dell’Agenzia delle entrate che preveda la possibilità di inviare il file telematico della comunicazione dati entro il 10-15 giugno.

In oss note 1957498 VAT Ledger for Slovakia there are instruction to popolate tables FOTPARAMC and FOTPARREFC in the attached file Declaration_SK_Configuration Manual.docx. Instruction are for Slovakia, but it is reasonable to assume that for Italy you must substitute SK_VAT string with IT_VAT

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Former Member May 25, 2017 at 02:38 PM
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About "New Spesometro/Comunicazione delle Fatture Emesse e Ricevute" with deadline 18 Sep 2017 (for first semester 2017) .

We can anticipate something on the system (load others notes) , or the new solution is completely new ?

Do you know when the solution will be released ?

thanks for your help.

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Former Member Jun 05, 2017 at 12:55 PM
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Generating xml file in FOTV I obtain a file without items (without amount) despite in RFUMSV00 amount are extracted.

IN customizing I've setted the VAT code for selling in group 2 (Totale operazioni attive) and 4(IVA esigibile) whiyt sign H (credit) in accordance whith RFUMSV00 and in a mirror way for purchasing vat code (group 3 and 5).

I've missed something? I followed the manual "Documentation_IT_VATReturn.pdf attached.pdf" attached in oss note 2470594.

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Hi Lorenzo,

In FOTV, Can you display the detailed view of periodic declaration? (then, before to create a file)

Claudia

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Claudia Ferretti

Hi ClaudiaIn FOTV you can see the header of declaration and the detailed view with amounts : in FOTV you select the record, click on Magnifying glass icon to see the details. But i can see these only if I add them manually, because they are not passed form RFUMSV00 to FOTV. These is my problem, now.

But in FOTV you can add them, modify them or delete them.

The record item are (as per oss note 2470594):

02 Totale operazioni attive

03 Totale operazioni passive

04 IVA esigibile

05 IVA detratta

07 Debito periodo precedente

08 Credito period precedente

09 Credito anno precedente

10 Versamenti auto UE

11 Crediti d’imposta

12 Interessi dovuti per liquidazi

13 Acconto dovuto

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Hi Lorenzo,

in the customizing, you have to put in "Grouping of Tax Base Balances" only operations 2 and 3. In "Group Tax Balances" only 4 and 5. Have you inserted also any values under columns "Bal." and "ArithmOp"?

Because when i've putted data there, also for me FOTV didn't show any result. After I delete data from these two columns, FOTV shows me the correct result.

Bye

Massimiliano

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Thank you very much Massimiliano! Now it works correctly!

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Ok Lorenzo,

have you update V_T007Z?

Also, when you enter your balances manually, is the currency field correct?or is empty?

Claudia

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Former Member

Hi Claudia,

to add manually (or edit) amounts you must click on the icon "Display details on packet" (shift + F7) after selecting the record (and not by cliking the magnifyng glass as I said previously, sorry for mistake)

Here I can add value but I cannot control the currency. System use "EUR" automatically(the field is filled with this value).

on V_T007Z I inserted this record:

IT | Italia | 01.01.2016 | XML1

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Ok ok I had another problem with the currency (solve with a note). I see that you've solved perfect!

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