343 allowed with 09 lots still pending

[former_member2091]

we have implemented 09 type lots but we are facing one challenge,

system is allowing 343 movement from MB1B for stock that have inspection lot still pending and users are not completing UD but directly moving stocks.

Is this standard behaviour? can it be changed from config just like for 01 lots which gives message " change quantity in QM only..."

[former_member42743]

If it is in QI, the users won't be able to move it.

The QA07 program has two parts to it. The inspection lot creation section runs against the next inspection date.

The lower section runs against the expiration date.

The lower section for expiration date always runs first and simply moves the stock and does not create an inspection lot. A batch with the same exp date and insp. date would typically wind up in blocked stock with no inspection lot if you aren't careful in setting up the batch jobs.

Please research QA07. There are several threads that explain it.

Craig

[former_member2091]

Hello Craig,

Thank you for comments.

Let me rephrase my query, as you have mentioned we are BLOCKING stocks that are expired.

For batches with next inspection date ( not SLED ) also, we run it with selection " Block Batch at inspection date " which does create an inspection lot and move batch to Block state.

Now, for that lot being still pending(without UD) we are able to move stock to unrestrcited (343 movement) which does not happen for 01/04 lots or 321 movements. This allowed movement fails the purpose of applying 09 type lots.

is there any way to restrict this movement if inspection lot is pending?

if not in config, any user exit at MB1B to check pending inspection lot for 343 movements?

[former_member42743]

No.. it really doesn't fail the purpose of applying 09 type lots. It might fail your business purpose but it might very nicely satisfy other businesses. I often disagree with how SAP does things but it's usually done to allow multiple businesses/industries to use the software.

They would say that if you don't want anyone to potentially use it, put it in QI. At most places, when in QI stock the stock is seen as available stock and the availability date is the calculated end date of the inspection lot. Do you expect this stock to pass re-inspection most of the time and be available to promise and seen by MRP? Then it probably should be in QI.

At most places, stock in blocked stock is not available and not seen as viable stock by MRP or SD processes. Blocked stock should usually only contain material that is not expected to be viable and the majority of it will eventually be destroyed, possibly by re-working it. Material being re-inspected on a routine basis does not fall into that category.

Another question is, if this is a worry for you, why do you even allow a 343 to be done? Technically, if you really want to consider it blocked, you should disable 343 (or greatly limit it), and ONLY allow stock to be move from blocked stock into QI stock thus requiring it to be re-dispositioned by an inspection lot processed by QA. Then quality personnel can re-release the stock back to unrestricted. In many pharma's we allow anyone to put stock into blocked stock but only QA personnel with the right security roles to move it out of blocked stock.

Without customization there is no check to look for outstanding inspection lots. There are user exits for material documents that you could utilize to make that check for you when a material document is posted and than block the posting if it finds an outstanding insp. lot. But it's not standard.

Craig

[former_member42743]

PS> There are a ton of threads out there that will tell you the user exits. I don't know them off the top of my head and would have to search for them. You can do that as easily as me in google.

Also, keep in mind that you want to do this in an exit for MIGO as well as MB1B.

SAP is moving towards MIGO and away from the individual transactions like MB1B. Eventually you'll probably have to use MIGO and most places allow the use of MIGO as well as the MB1A, MB1B and MB1C transactions. The user exits for MIGO are different than for MB1B.

Craig

[former_member2091]

Hello Craig,

Thank you very much for your comments on this.

1. SAP is built to support multiple industries and is planned accordingly : I completely agree to this statement and understand the reasons you have mentioned. Stock should be put in block if there is very less chance of it coming back again.

2. 343 movement is used very widely in our business and blocking/restricting it can get difficult but as you have suggested we can allow only movement into QI from blocked, this can solve our multiple issues I believe

3, If change in process is not possible,then we will apply user exit on MIGO/MB1B.

Thank you again Sir!.

[former_member2091]

If there is no way that system checks for open inspection lots before 343 movement, we can run QA07 and move stock to QI instead of blocked.

Will this work around suffice?