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TERP10 related questions

Former Member
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In light of the emphasis and interest on TERP10 at the Curriculum Congress, I thought a thread here devoted to that topic might be appropriate.

Gail, Heather, or whoever can answer this for SAP,

Can you clarify the guidelines for what students, if any, would be inelligible for taking the TERP10 certification class and test from a university? I heard, for example, a statement made about someone not being a "professional" and participating in this program.

We currently have 2 SAP-heavy required courses in our M.S. program in Information Technology, with a 3rd in development. Several of our M.S. students are local professionals. If they are bona fide degree seeking students, would they be able to participate in our (forthcoming) TERP10 plans?

Is there any criteria other than degree seeking which is considered important in determining eligibility?

Thanks

Tony

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Former Member
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Tony,

Good question. Students should have some prior exposure to SAP in classes. We like to see at least 3 courses with one-third hands-on SAP content, but the school determines which students are eligible. As long as students are enrolled in the degree seeking program, have not graduated or just graduated, they are eligible to take TERP10. For example, if you hold the TERP10 exam right after May graduation the students can still take it if they just graduated. If the exam is only held once a year and you have a December or January graduation then the only exception to this applies and in this case, students who have graduated within the last 6 months from a degree program who are still unemployed can also take the class and exam. I hope this clarifies for you. What we can not do is provide TERP10 certification for working SAP professionals who want to take the exam through a university alliances school instead of SAP Education.

Gail

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I've got two questions related to administration of the course. I'm trying to get a PO number from our purchasing department for the students' certification exams. Purchasing wants to know the name and address of the invoicing organization (SAP America?). Anyone have that? Also, I need to verify when we'll be invoiced by SAP - after students actually take the exam? Thanks,

Robert Garst

Grand Valley State University

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Gail,

I would like to request Terp10 course schedule in 2010, including in East coast. I have not been able to locate.

Please provide. Thanks in advance.

Gaya Agrawal

HDM
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Gaya,

Each UA member school in North America has the opportunity to offer the certification course to its students at a time convenient to them. Schools typically require that students have taken several courses with SAP content in them prior to the 2 week course and exam. Most schools in North America offering the exam have already done so for the summer, however please check the UA member private workspace [TERP10 page |https://cw.sdn.sap.com/cw/community/uac/terp10/projects/terp10-schedule-2010] -- if a member school has space available in their course, they will post it on this calendar along with the course details -- then professors or students from other UA member schools could participate (NOTE: this is ONLY available for UA member schools, the general public may not attend).

Best,

Heather

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Former Member
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hi ,

I am a student and am going to take my terp10 exam soon. How do i get access to the sample questions.

thanks

HDM
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Instructors will typically provide the class with quizzes and sample questions to help prepare. You may also view the exam questions provided by SAP for the TERP10 exam at: http://www.sap.com/services/education/certification/schedule/C_TERP10_60.epx

Best Regards,

Heather

Former Member
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Heather,

Good Afternoon!

One of my client like to take TERP 10 Course inhouse and see if you can refer any consultant. Do you have any suggestion?

Thank You,

Urvish Desai

Former Member
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Hi Tony,

I have a question with reference to TERP10. I am an SAP ABAP 7.0 Certified Associate. I would be taking up a masters course in UK and as part of this degree, we have a TERP10 certification provided by SAP to be completed.

I just want to know as to how can I integrate this TERP10 knowledge with ABAP. Is it a continuation? as ABAP is completely on the technical side. How is TERP10 useful for me, considering that I have acquired technical knowledge in ABAP? Please elaborate.

Thanks,

Eva.

Former Member
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Hi Eva,

There is no ABAP content within the TERP10 material. However, depending on what you have done with ABAP you may find it easier to understand the data flows presented in the TERP10 material.

I'd recommend reviewing a great blog that was posted recently that presents details on the TERP10 content. It will give you a much better feel for the various units and how the material is covered.

Link: [Are You Looking to Become SAP Certified and Not Sure Which Exam to Take? Try C_TERP10_60|http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/18457] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken];

Also further details on the course:

Link:[TERP10 - Integration of Business Processes|http://www1.sap.com/usa/services/education/tabbedcourse.epx?context=%5b%5b%7cTERP10%7c%7c%7c062%7cUS%7c%5d%5d%7c]

Former Member
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Hi

This is an updated link to a previous post.

Sorry for any cross posts. Susan Foster from Monash University and myself created a number review questions for a recent academic TERP10 training course. Revision tests were conducted each day using a variety of delivery mechanisms. The academics who have now completed the certification exam have indicated that the review questions were invaluable.

I have loaded the questions onto the Collaborative Workspace https://cw.sdn.sap.com/cw/docs/DOC-53279

Good Luck

Paul Hawking

SAP Academic Program Director

Victoria University

Australia

Former Member
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After the previous discussion here on what the 'title' associated with the TERP10 certification was, I found it interesting to note what was listed on my TERP10 certificate which just arrived in the mail yesterday. It indicates the following:

Solution Architect

ERP - Integration of Business Processes with mySAP ERP 2005

Then underneath in smaller letters it says:

Software components: SAP ERP Central Component 6.0, SEM 4.0, BW 3.5

I wish it didn't say "mySAP" (especially since underneath that it refers to ECC 6.0). This verbage however seems to be a bit different than what other posts on this thread indicate is the current language, so I thought I would pass this on.

Former Member
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Hi

Yes it appears they have changed the name but still needs improvement. There are guidelines but the new name does not seem to follow these guidelines. I have sent an email to Bob regarding this.

Regards

Paul Hawking

SAP Academic Program Director

Victoria University

Australia

Former Member
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One recommendation I would make is that the students be made aware of the content type and the amount of effort required to study for the qualification at an early stage so that it doesn't come as a surprise to them when they finally undertake the course - even a presentational session to let them know exacrtly what the course covers and it's level of difficulty and area of focus.

I would also suggest that students that have had some exposure to SAP already should be the principle focus when you are starting to roll out TERP10 - this isn't absolutely necessary of course but it does mean that a lot of the basic questions will already have been answered in the use of SAP in their degree courses and this cuts down on the faculty and student learning curve. Then then students that have had some experience in IS or in operations are also a good choice as they will already have an intellectual map either of operational functions and process based management, or of data input, extraction and query.

But fundamentally it's up to individual faculty to assess if the students are capable enough - they should have the analytical skills to study the new material effectively.

Martin

Martin Gollogly

Director, University Alliances

United Kingdom and Ireland

Former Member
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Hi

Recently SAP has decided to change the title printed on the TERP10 certificate from SAP Certified u2013 Business Foundation & Integration with SAP ERP 6.0 to SAP Certified Business Associate with SAP ERP 6.0. My concern is that the new name does not reflect the content of the course. The new name is vague. If industry were familiar with the previous certification title they will now have no idea about the new title.

The question that must be asked; has the name change occurred because university students are now undertaking the certification. If this SAP Education Certification has been available for 3 years why change the name now?

Regards

Paul Hawking

SAP Academic Program

Victoria University

Australia

HDM
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Hi Paul,

Interesting question. I'm not sure how many folks involved in the certification process at SAP follow the UA forums, so we've forwarded your question to the appropriate folks. Will be back in touch with an answer. We can then make sure we're positioning the exam and the certification properly.

Best,

Heather

Former Member
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Hi Paul,

I have not heard yet from SAP Education, but I did some additional searching on my own.

If you follow the various certification paths at the following link:

http://www.sap.com/services/education/certtraining/academy_program.epx

You will find that the naming convention follows a pattern that personalizes the award of the certification:

There are associates, professionals, and consultants of various types - business, application, solution - depending on the type and duration of the certification path. There is nothing from this convention that would imply that TERP10 was anyway influenced by the fact that students are now also taking this certification. On the contrary, TERP1e, which is the new on-line equivalent that is not part of University Alliances, leads to the same certification qualification - business associate.

I also see that there is a further pattern - after the personal designation comes the specific product covered in the content - therefore TERP10 (10 days) as a first certification and generalist certification leads to SAP Certified Business Associate with SAP ERP 6.0.

I personally see it is a strong statement that the person is certified in ERP 6.0 - especially considering the breadth of the product(s) and underlying technology. Nothing about the nomenclature points to students, UA, etc. as a specific audience.

Best Wishes

Bob

Former Member
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Hi Everyone,

SAP Eduction has confirmed that there was no consideration to the naming given to the fact that now students can also receive TERP10 certification at UA member universities. "Business Associate" is appropriate for a 10 day course. "ERP 6.0" is the product and the content description.

However, we have forwarded a new suggestion to SAP Education that Paul Hawking made this week for a title that looks to me as following even better the new naming convention. It contains the above title and product as well as a further content element - "Business Process Integration".

Let's see if they are able to find an opportunity to make such a change in the future.

SAP Education stands behind TERP10 and the current designations fully. They are supporting us in all markets globally in providing a comptetive official SAP certification for career enhancement, for our UA students as well as experienced professionals at our customers and partners.

All the best

Bob

Former Member
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Hi

Sorry for any cross posts. Susan Foster from Monash University and myself created a number review questions for a recent academic TERP10 training course. Revision tests were conducted each day using a variety of delivery mechanisms. The academics who have now completed the certification exam have indicated that the review questions were invaluable.

I have loaded the questions onto the Collaborative Workspace https://cw.sdn.sap.com/community/uac?view=documents

Good Luck

Paul Hawking

SAP Academic Program Director

Victoria University

Australia

Former Member
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Hi Paul I would like to acces the link but I can not do it, can you help please ? THank you¡¡¡

HDM
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Araceli,

Paul shared the TERP10 study questions via the UAC private workspace - a workspace that is available for UA member faculty. What campus are you with?

If you're not with a UA member school, another resource you may want to explore is the certification links from the sap.com website -- for the TERP10 you can see the relative importance of topics which can help prioritize review activities.

Best Regards,

Heather

Former Member
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Dear Paul and Susan,

It is a credit to you both that you have added to the standard professional training materials to enhance the outcomes of your students. In fact, in every geography, our University Alliances pass rates - for our professors AND students - are much higher than the overall averages. This is a credit to all of the UA professors who are the trainers in our TERP10 courses offered in UA workshops and at UA universities. Let's also give a lot of credit to the students themselves. For many of us, this is the reason we are professors in universities, rather than full-time trainers.

By the way, there is actually no 'academic' TERP10. The hosted ERP 6.0 set-up is identical to a SAP Education classroom and the course materials for UA TERP10 come verbatim from the official SAP Education professional curriculum materials. The certification granted to those that pass is the standard certification issued directly by SAP Education to anyone who takes the full 10 day course and passes the standard examination. The "delivery" of the course is from UA professors, which is the only exception of this kind allowed by SAP Education - a vote of confidence in the UA community and trust that we will (and do!) represent SAP professionally and excellently. (SAP Education instructors continue to deliver TERP10 to employees of SAP customers and partners.)

Thanks Again,

Bob

HDM
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Tony,

Thanks for starting the thread ... I'm sure there are several folks that have the same questions.

Eligibility guidelines for TERP10 offered through UA:

1. student of your program, taking your "normal" courses

2. 3 courses with at least 30% SAP content or equivelent

3. Junior / senior level or graduate student

These are guidelines, and students with this profile tend to be more successful in the course and subsequent certification exam. #1 is not negotiable. The purpose of offering the course is to give an opportunity to those you consider to be students - not provide training to the business community. Individuals from the business community are invited to take the public TERP10 courses offered by SAP at our training centers. #2 has some flexibility, and I would let you be the judge on this. TERP10 covers lots of content in a short amount of time and the text questions are very detailed ... in most cases students do not do well on the exam unless they've used SAP / seen it from the perspective in multiple courses. #3 I would let you judge - but I recommend following the guideline. Students need to get several of their major/minor courses under their belt to really connect the TERP10 content being taught to business processes they may learn in other classes. TERP10 will have lots of new content, and if students are also learning every business process for the first time -- its challenging, and test scores have reflected that when exceptions have been made to let sophomore level students take the course.

Ineligibility:

1. Those not enrolled in your standard classes.

If a working person is obtaining their degree from your campus and has met the guidelines above, then he/she is welcome to take the academy course --- that person would be considered a student from the university perspective. You cannot however, enroll a random business person from your town into only the TERP10. Like other SAP content, you cannot offer the academy through continuing education or set it up as a profit-generating operation.

Heather

former_member583013
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Hello Heather,

We are currenctly preparing the registration form for our TERP10 Academy for the undergrad. Are you aware of the price of the exam in Canadian dollar ? We usually have student provide a certified check to SAP Canada when registering.

Thanks

PML

HDM
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PML,

We are getting final numbers on test cost now ... I expect to have it in a week or so.

Heather