Modeling tools

[Former Member]

My question has to do with the use of Process Composer as a modeling tool rather than using a vendor program like ARIS from IDS Scheer.

My assumption is that if I wont use the simulation, and other modeling tools from ARIS then I will be better off modeling directly on the SAP Process Composer. Since the model is already on SAP the execution should be direct. If I use the ARIS modeler then I guess I have to synchronyze and "export" to SAP Netweaver BPM.

Has anyone used the ARIS Modeler to later export to SAP BPM? If so, is this process direct or are there pitfalls, or how easy this is ... advantages vs disadvantages.

I´d like to hear what pro´s and con´s and limitations or advantages for each one of these two modeling options.

Regards,

Enrique Vignau

Mexico

[Former Member]

Hi Enrique,

As of the 7.11 Release of SAP NetWeaver Composition Environment, there is no possibility to import an ARIS model or any other model to SAP NetWeaver BPM.

I'd like to ask you whether you see this as critical thing given the fact that you mentioned not using the simulation capabilities of ARIS. From a modeling perspective, is there anything missing in the Process Composer?

Looking forward reading you!

Best regards,

David

[Former Member]

Hi David,

I found your response really helpful. Our company comes from the BPM "Pure Play" world. We are Systems Integrators for HandySoft, TIBCO, other BPM tools. We also have a company within the group that does digitizing and a third company that implements SAP Systems. So we are interessted in becoming SAP BPM experts or BPX to the SAP ecosystem. We are in the process of learning to use the Process Modeler.

My question is twofold. I have two diferent scenarios.

Scenario A: I have a customer that already purchased ARIS and they started some months ago modelling all their processes in that tool. They plan to use SAP BPM and they wish to export these process models (BPMN) from the ARIS repository to SAP BPM to execute. They are asking me if that will be / is possible and if that is a sound movement. I told them what I learned at the SAP BPM Forum at Las Vegas. That is, just what you responded to me; that if one could model directly in the Process Modeler I don´t see any advantages to use ARIS. keeping a "simulation" model takes time and consumes resources to make the "model" as close to the reality to really make it worthwhile to use as a simulation of what could happen. But I did not know there is no capability to import models from other process modelers as of now. This is important since many customers might already have process models in MEGA or ARIS or some other BPA tool and they could "loose" that work.

Scenario B: A new customer that does not use MEGA or ARIS nor they plan to use any simulation tool. Will they ve able to keep control of versioning and how will they keep governance of the process model repository? Will that happen in Solution Manager?

Regards,

Enrique

[Former Member]

Hi Enrique,

of course you could model directly some very specify processes in the Process Composer but doing that you are not really working on Business Process Management but more on the operating of some company specific processes you want to operate.

Please see as well http://www.arisblog.com/videos/aris-tv-episode-7/ ARIS TV from Ann Rosenberg from SAP on that topic.

To answer your second questions: yes we are planning an exchange between ARIS and the Process Composer. As soon as the BPMN 2.0 exchange format is available ARIS will support it. This means as soon as SAP supports it, you will be able to exchange model information between ARIS and SAP.

Saying that you will not exchange all models but the very operative models you want to execute with help of the process composer. All the organizational stuff, analysis, optimization, and deep deep process description is more in ARIS. Also ARIS also connect to Solution Manager or to SAP BI.

That's why it makes sense to model all your processes within ARIS and then later on exchange some with PC. But for execution you are more in PC.

You can also have a look at https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/9583. [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken]

Hope it helps,

Regards,

Christiane