What Should I use, BW-IP or Embedded BPC model for a new planning model ??

[ssurampally]

Hi, We have got a requirement to implement a planning model for Production planning. We are on BW 7.5 on HANA.., do not have a BPC instance at all in our landscape. I understand that, I can use the existing the traditional BW-IP functionality, which is available in BW application(RSPLAN) and create Aggregation levels, Functions, Sequence etc.. then build Query and work books for planning. In this case, I do not think, BPC server is required for this model.

On the other side, I can have a BPC license, then build an embedded model, which is also leveraging BW-IP PAK to build the model. there may be couple of more advantages here, in terms of BPF and Work Status functionalities of BPC I can leverage.

So, Let us say, If I do not want those BPFs and Work Status features of BPC, Can I go with BW-IP model itself? So that I can avoid extra license BPC cost and also can get the HANA push down to do my planning..

Please share your thoughts on this?

Thanks

Sreekanth

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hi,

If I am not missing any crucial points your answer is:

Since you have SAP Business Warehouse 7.5 on Hana(embedded), you also have the BusinessObjects Planning and Consolidation in the embedded configuration. You can use both the embedded and standard configuration of BusinessObjects Planning and Consolidation without installing any additional software beside having BW 7.5 on HANA. Long story short you need to activate some parameters to activate your BPC.

BusinessObjects Planning and Consolidation in an embedded configuration is integrated with SAP Business Warehouse Planning Applications Kit which will bring you BI IP PAK. By using the BW Planning Applications Kit you can perform SAP HANA-optimized planning(this you can do it unless you activate BPC on your system). I need to warn you again that you can use Planning and Consolidation embedded only with SAP HANA-based systems.

If you want to go without having BPC activated and using old BI IP, it is also up to you. In the end you will be using BI IP at technically so having BPF and not having BPF is your concern. Also you will not use SAP HANA-optimized planning which I dont see any major problem with that. If someone who can give some more information regarding with "SAP HANA-optimized planning" advantages I would be appreciated also.

ps: Any additional comments from other people for disadvantages of not having BPC will be much appreciated as well!

[former_member399404]

Hi Sreekanth,

If you are not interested with BPC features - BPFs, work status, Rules, and just confined to building a production model with Aggregation levels/Formula Extensions, you might go with BW-IP. The Latest version of BPC (Embedded), though modeled through Web console, still application license is required and needs to be installed on Hana. Advantage of Embedded would be majorly data redundancy and logic push down to Hana layer for faster execution. Choice of system can also depend on Cloud (data needs!) or On premise (IP based approach will suffice).

Thanks,

Harsha

[former_member735363]

Hi All,

From the above info it can be understood that If the planning application is developed with embedded BPC business logic runs on Hana and in case if it is with bw ip will the business logic not run on Hana layer?

Regards,

Kiran

[former_member399404]

Hi Sreekanth,

If you are not interested with BPC features - BPFs, work status, Rules, and just confined to building a production model with Aggregation levels/Formula Extensions, you might go with BW-IP. The Latest version of BPC (Embedded), though modeled through Web console, still application license is required and needs to be installed on Hana. Advantage of Embedded would be majorly data redundancy and logic push down to Hana layer for faster execution. Choice of system can also depend on Cloud (data needs!) or On premise (IP based approach will suffice).

Thanks,

Harsha

[ssurampally]

Thank you so much for detailed answer Calglayan, now I understand that, I don't need any additional installation of BPC server, in order to use BPC Embedded model on BW 7.5 on HANA. It is up to me, to get Planning Kit enabled or not to get HANA Push down benefits or I can just BW IP which is out of the box BW functionality. I am quite familiar with S/4 BPC optimized models, so I understand those advantages, which are no replication of data, real time planning and write back planned to S/4 tables etc..

Thanks

Sreekanth

[former_member185511]

Question is answered by someone else but you give points to yourself.

[former_member186338]

No points in this case! Traditional example of strange behavior 🙂

[ssurampally]

Hi, if the answer is provided as comment, I can't hit as 'Accepted answer' to that...I tried few times I could not find it. may be help me out on this , if you can do that.

In this case, I will have to ask the person who answered to change it from comments to answer OR just close thread by making it answered with the more suitable answer in the thread(unfortunately it was mine 😞 )..

Anyway,.. I made it unanswered now, 🙂 I will wait for the person to change to answer from Comment.

Thanks

Sreekanth

[Former Member]

changed to answer! good luck with your project:)

[ssurampally]

Thank you Caglayan.

[ssurampally]

Sorry for the confusion, Actually my question is YES or NO answer one which is in the end. I tried to put 3 blocks, just to make my understanding is aligned correctly or not. But Below are the scenarios I have seen so far,

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S/4 HANA - BPC scenario: SAP provided standard BPC content to access S/4 Fin tables(ACDOCA) and do the real time planning in S/4 System itself. Which is positioned as BPC Optimized HANA, formerly known as Integrated business Planning for Finance(IBPF). There are couple of SAP notes to follow to activate the content then I am good to develop my objects. It is completely outside of BW on HANA and I am clear on this scenario.

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BW HANA - BPC Scenario: a. Standard BPC: installation takes place on top of SAP netweaver BW. it can be either BPC 10 or 10.1. I will access the Web client and EPM add in client, then start creating my standard BPC models, they will be crated as BW cubes in the back end. Then I will have planning functions, Script logics, DM Packages and EPM reports etc.. I am clean on this as well.

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BW on HANA - BPC Scenario b: Embedded BPC: My understanding is that, installation takes on top of SAP netweaver BW, I will access the Web client and EPM add in Client, then start creating my Embedded BPC models, with BW Integrated Planning objects, my assumption is BPC embedded model is created in Web client of BPC and then all the IP functions are configured in BW-IP system.

Below is question, on this BW on HANA - Embedded BPC scenario.

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Q: do I need to install BPC 10.1 as how it used to be done for Standard BPC? or is BPC installation is already embedded in BW system, and only some ina services activation required? --------------- if the answer to question is 'BPC installation is embedded in BW', then I can go ahead and implement my Planning model with that option. If answer is NO, which means a separate installation is required for BPC, then I will use traditional BW-IP model.

Please let me know..

[ssurampally]

thanks Andrey, you said that, I can activate the BPC embedded in BW on HANA... is it just like how BPC optimized activation in S4 Hana? I was thinking, I need to have a separate BPC system in case of BW on Hana to create either standard model or embedded models of BPC. Can you clarify me on this.

[former_member302041]

I'm not sure I understand clearly your question...

Anyway, S4 and BWonHANA are different servers (usually).

So activating BPC on S4 doesn't mean activating BPC in BWoH.

Technically saying you should maintain entry in the table RSPLS_HDB_ACT (in BWoH) and set "BPC Embedded Model Active" to 'X'.

Then you can create embedded model...

BR,

[former_member302041]

Hi,

Sure you can go with IP only if you don't need BPC features.

I'm not sure regarding licensing - PAK activation and BPC embedded activation require licenses.

But I don't know if licenses are separate.

Anyway, you must activate PAK in order to leverage HANA push down planning functionalities.