QM valuation characteristics does not work

[Former Member]

Hi,

after I enter results I want to valuate them but I get the error:

No valid samples exist for the characteristic.

I'm not using sample procedures, but I have specifications in the material classification which are copied over in the inspection lot. Why doesn't it work?

Rgds

[former_member42744 · Accepted solution]

sounds like the system is expecting physical samples to be created. Are you using physical samples? Did you specify a sampling procedure somewhere that calls for physical samples?

Craig

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hi,

no, I'm not using physical samples and I don't specify sampling procedures anywhere.

I uploaded exactly the same characteristics in a different system and I don't get the error there.

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hi,

Compare the valuation parameter in both the cases.You may get some clue..

Regards

K.M,.Arun

[former_member42744 · Accepted solution]

This sounds like it might be a config item then. Double check the plant settings. It is possible to specify a default sampling procedure in the plant settings, or maybe the client level, if I remember correctly,

Craig

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hi Craig,

Ok, I deleted the sampling procedure in the plant settings (although it works fine in the other system with the settings). Now at least I don't get the error anymore, it's just manual valuation with the pop-up for each characteristic.

How can I set it to automatic valuation so I don't get the pop-up? Like I said, we don't use sampling procedures.

Thx!

Jessica

[former_member42744 · Accepted solution]

Ok..

You could try creating a sampling procedure for automatic valuation and enter it in back in config.

You might want to check the default recording view though in config. Do you have it set for automatic valuation and close?

Also, since you loaded to a new system, make sure the control indicators on the inspection characteristics got loaded properly. The must be "Fixed scope" to allow for auto valuation. I don't think your using plans.. if you are and are unlocking charac.. then you need to check the indicators in the plans as well.

Craig

[former_member42744 · Accepted solution]

I made a mistake in my last post. It is not recording view but recording configuration I wanted you to look at.

In config these are maintained at:

QM>Quality inspection>Results recording-->Define recording configuration.

They are selected in the plant view:

QM>Basic settings>maintain settins at plant level

Select the results recording tab.

Most places use "Automatic close" usually. Unless your in pharma and need multiple approvals.

This value can also be modified by a user parameter.

Craig

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hi Craig,

I still haven't found a solution for this issue:

I want to do automatic valuation (this pop-up is a nuisance!) and I want to be able to enter as many results as I want by clicking on the little plus.

How can I do this?

- Is it really necessary to define sampling procedures? What if I don't define one on plant level and I don't define any in the characteristic? Can I still automatic valuate and close?

- If I'm using sampling procedures, what are the settings? Maybe valuation mode 510 (without valuation parameters) and valuation rule 51? Which sampling type?

- You suggested to use automatic close in the recording config. What does it do? I couldn't see any difference.

I''m mostly using characteristics type NUM.

Thanks for any hint.

Jessica

[former_member42744 · Accepted solution]

" want to do automatic valuation (this pop-up is a nuisance!) and I want to be able to enter as many results as I want by clicking on the little plus. "

No can do. There are several things that impact how automatic valuation is done. One is the sampling procedure. You can't do automatic valuation without one. That's because in the sampling procedure you define the valuation mode. For automatic valuation of quantitative tests, most people seletct "700 Mean value within tolerance range". For qualitative tests its usually "400 Valuation according to char.attrib.code". There are other types for special characteristics and situations.

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From SAP help: http://help.sap.com/erp2005_ehp_01/helpdata/en/2d/351493448c11d189420000e829fbbd/frameset.htm

Manual Valuation

You have to manually valuate if:

No sampling procedures have been defined for a characteristic in the task list

A sampling procedure with manual valuation is defined for a characteristic in the task list

An inspection type 100% inspection is defined in the inspection setup of the material master

The target sample size is greater than the inspection lot quantity

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So, to get automatic valuation, I believe the above means you

1) must define a sampling procedure.

2) must select an appropriate valuation mode other then manual

3) must not have 100% inspection turned on in the inspection type setup

4) Use either fixed scope or smaller scope on the inspection characteristic.

To have an unlimited number of entries (clicking on the little plus), requires larger scope. Which from the rules above appears to void automatic valuation.

I think I answered your first two questions with the above.

As far as your third question regarding the automatic close. When this is setup, it will valuate and lock the characteristic for the user when they hit the enter key after enterring results. It won't change the valuation rules as defined as above but saves the user from having to select the characteristic and click on the valuate or lock icon button.

Craig

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hi Craig,

it finally works, although I'm not sure why and how.

I changed my sampling procedure to valuation mode "attr. insp. of non-conf. units". Sample size 1.

I entered the sampling procedure in the plant settings and but all my mics do not have sampling procedure clicked in the control indicators.

Does that sound like a normal set-up?

Automatic close sounds like a good idea.

Thanks for the help, Jessica

[former_member42744 · Accepted solution]

Yes.. that would not be an abnormal setup. I think as time goes on you might find needs to define the sampling procedure elsewhere besides the plant levels. But if its working, don't fix it!

I suspect the reason its working now has something to do with the sampling procedure.

Craig

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Yes, I also guess it has to do with the sampling procedure.

I just hope that it will also work in the productive system, for whatever reason!

Jessica