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SAP BPC on Hana classic or embedded

Hello experts,

I know that there are a lot of blogs and forums related to bpc on hana classic vs. embedded models nowadays. I believe that each case should be analized as each costumer has different contexts and needs.

I have this client who wants to implement bpc on hana with embedded models for both planning and consolidation, nothing strange until there, my only concerns are that 1. they expect the same easy- user friendly interplay with BPC as in the classic model (ease to update dimensions, BR, security, EPM reports) and 2. currently they have SAP ECC 6.0 and are planning to migrate to S4/H in a couple of years, but they expect to have the new functionality were master data is shared between S4 and BPC through Hana.

Having this in mind i have the following questions:

- How much dependency will users have in IT/consulting team? and for how long? it's been mentioned that is in the roadmap that everything will be created and updated again from BPC in the future for embedded models but do not know exactly when...

- Once they've finished the S4 implementation, how much effort will it be requiered to connect the master data of the embedded models with the ones in S4? just a reconnection or will it be requiered to reimplement the models?

- This 2 points make me believe that embedded models is not the best option for this client but if you have any thoughts that lead to the opposite, I'd appreciate a lot your comments!

Thanks in advance!

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    Apr 03, 2017 at 02:54 AM

    Hi, if you're going to S4 in a short term it does not make sense to upgrade BPC now.

    1st because the BW objects will be different - example: if you use 0CUSTOMER (where you need to maintain manually or load master data) in S4 you'll be using /ERP/CUSTOMER which is a Virtual Infobject - retrieving master data from S4 - No replication! So answering your question, yes you'll need to re-implement the objects and waste some time doing the mapping from old master data to the (possibly) harmonised data in S4.

    2nd because BPC Optimised for S4 has a lot of out of the box stuff, which accelerates a great deal your implementation and you will also be able to leverage those objects as examples.

    To build comparisons for example, instead of loading data, you leverage the standard virtual info cubes that reads data straight from the universal journal.

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    • Lucas Gabriel Nidia Karina Olguín Huerta

      yes. For the real-time objects are only possible when BW and ERP sits on top of the same system - hence BW/BPC embedded in S4, because it leverages HANA views to those virtual infoobejcts. It's important to remember as well that from 1611 if I'm not wrong, SAP has introduced the new ACDOCP table which is like a plan sister from ACDOCA.

      BPC optimised for S4 already comes with a lot of those objects pre-built and also functionality to easily enhance them. One example is the "Enhance InfoProvider with Additional Fields" (You can find this under "Controlling --> General Controlling --> Planning --> Set up for Planning) where you select the field from ACDOCA or ACDOCP to enhance your BW cube.

  • Apr 05, 2017 at 08:38 PM

    "Exactly, the problem is that BPC implementation has priority for this year and S/4 migration won't happen before 2019" and the customer has no strong BW team to provide Embedded support then standard will be a good solution!

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  • Apr 02, 2017 at 09:05 AM

    "How much dependency will users have in IT/consulting team?" - in general embedded model require constant support from IT!

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  • Apr 05, 2017 at 06:12 PM

    Hi Nid!!!!

    I Think that the problems is not if you want to choose embebed or classic BPC version.

    As recomendation, first finish the S4 implementation, any change during the construction could affect your BPC design or at least start the BPC model desing on the final fase of the S4 project.

    Any BPC implementation needs IT support, how much dependency will need? well it depends on your design and business requirements. For example offten not all the master data exist on SAP if business need to mantain a property on any member that can't be defined by any transformation rule your model could need manual maintenance, and this is a easy task that any advancer user could perform (not recomend give acces to users to admin tasks) accces ) but what if you need to perform changes on script logics or fox formulas. My recomendation its always have someone who can give technical support, with BW or BPC basic skills.

    Saludos a la bota!!

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    • For me plannig model make more sence on embebed version, the main reason for me its that you can use BW cubes with more than one ratio, but I dont see any advantage for consolidation model, you have to create from scrach almost the same "standard" basic model in order to use business rules.

  • May 08, 2017 at 03:37 PM

    Hi Nidia,

    As per my view please implement S/4 HANA and cross check all functionalities are working fine.

    2nd step apply Embeded BW with HANA if you have strong BW and BPC Technical consultants and need for short term and limited usage.

    If the usage is long term and more usage go for classic BPC on HANA.

    Master data between BPC and S/4 is not reusable. Needs to create from scratch for most of the objects.


    Anand Kotha

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