S/4HANA Finance 1503 vs. SAP S/4HANA, on-premise edition 1511

[vladimir_kogan4]

Hi

What is the main difference between S/4 Finance and SAP S/4 HANA?

Does SAP S/4 HANA include S/4 ?

What happens when we upgrading S/$ finance with SAP S/4? SAP S/4 replaces finance or not?

In case we have master data for application modules. except FI, should we run migration after such upgrade?

Why some country localizations are not covered by 1511 version? ISrael for example.

Than you.

Regards

Vladimir Kogan

[Former Member]

Hi.

S/4 HANA it's like combination of Sfin+slog.

Sfin could be install on the top of erp 6.0 EHP7, means that you can use only sfin.

sfin 1503 has sps3 which sometimes called 1511. this sps 3 is a part of S/4 HANA, so if you install S/4 HANA on premise 1511 in FI area you will have sfin 1503 has sps3, all differenses you can check here What's New in SAP Simple Finance, On-Premise Edition - SAP Library

[vladimir_kogan4]

Hi.

I have S/4 SFIN 1503 installed with latest Stack.

S/4 HANA 155 does not have localization for Israel, this is a reason that we run meanwhile only S/4 SFIN.

Once S/4 1511 will be released with all missing localization ( 0316 maybe) , we will upgrade fro S/4 SFIN to S/4 HANA .

The question - what happens in this case.

As I understand we will need to migrate all data, not covered by SFIN but covered by S/4 HANA.

I need some official information about it for our customer.

Regards

Vladimir

[Former Member]

Hi,

for official information it's better to ask in "official" places like OSS, and not in the forum

[Wagnerfr]

Hello Vladimir,

with SAP S/4HANA, on-premise edition 1511 additional application simplification are included in SAP S/4HANA. in this version the logistics area is adopted in a similar manner then we have it for financials. With S4HANA 1511 we (as SAP) adopted dedicated datstructures and removed in logistics area agregates and indices (just as an exemple). The conversion of the application data from old datastructre to new datastructure is done as part of the so called system conversion (we do not use the term upgrade in the context of SAP S/4HANA). Technically is the conversion based on Software Update Manager 1.0 SP15.

I wrote the following blog

to give an overview of the different steps and tools as part of the system conversion.

Additionaylly here the link to the S/4HANA roadmap:

https://websmp102.sap-ag.de/~sapidb/012002523100006634812015E.pdf

I hope that does help to answer your question

Kind Regards,

Frank

[vladimir_kogan4]

Hi Frank.

Thank you.

As you wrote

The conversion of the application data from old datastructre to new datastructure is done as part of the so called system conversion (we do not use the term upgrade in the context of SAP S/4HANA). Technically is the conversion based on Software Update Manager 1.0 SP15.

In our case the situation will be different. We are starting the project from scratch S/4 Simple Finance 1503 ( 2.0) and will upgrade in  2016 to the next stack of S/4  . Meanwhile we will create master data for components, that not covered by S/4 Finance, but covered by S/4 HANA 1511.

Does it mean we should convert this delta data after upgrading to S/4 HANA?

Regards

Vladimir Kogan

[Wagnerfr]

Hello Vladimir,

you can assume that there will be a similar conversion path from SAP Simple Finance, on-premise edition 1503 to the then current 2016 version of SAP S/4HANA on-premise edition.  As well you can assume that there will be similar automated data migration functionality where requried.

There are things different between SAP Simple Finance, on-premise edition 1503 and SAP S/4HANA on-premise edition 1511 (and then the following releases). These differences are listed in the SImplification List in dedicated Simplification Items. For example:

• In the master data area, there is the Business Partner approach mandatory (for details see appropriate Simplification Item).
• The Material Number will be extended from 18 to 40 Char (after a system conversion the default remains with 18 Char - customer can decide at which point in time he uses 40 Char) - more details see Simplification Item

Kind Regards,

Frank

[dkle]

Frank Wagner wrote:

in this version the logistics area is adopted in a similar manner then we have it for financials. With S4HANA 1511 we (as SAP) adopted dedicated datstructures and removed in logistics area agregates and indices (just as an exemple).

Hello Frank,

are S4/HANA Finance and S4/HANA Logistics mandatory/built-in parts of S4/HANA 1511,

or are they addons/building blocks/... that can be installed/activated on demand?

Asked the other way around:

Is it possible to run on 1511 without having the simplifications of S4/HANA Finance and S4/HANA Logistics?

Regards

Daniel

[Wagnerfr]

Hello Daniel,

with the move to SAP S/4HANA, on-premise editon 1511 you install the "S/4HANA Enterprise Management". The SAP S/4HANA Enterprise Management does include (with 1511) the simplifications related to S/4HANA Finance and the simplification related to S/4HANA Suply Chain Management. With the move to SAP S/4HANA, on-premise editon 1511 you install both areas of simplification it´s not possible just to pick one part.

Additional remark: a customer who does not want to install the application simplifications would then purely spoken not move to SAP S/4HANA at all. What would be the motivation for tis?

Kind Regards,

Frank

[dkle]

Hi Frank,

I expected your answer, thanks for clarification.

If the two innovation packages could be activated on demand, we would be flexible when the simplification would happen.

Our FI colleague planned to "activate" S4/HANA finance on 31th December 2016, to have a whole calendar year in the old, and from 2017 onwards in the new FI world. There might be no real reason behind this than having an "explicit switch date" to the new FI world.

And there were concerns that S4/HANA Logistics in the initial shipment might contain some bugs that are fixed with the upcoming FPS, because of the complexity of the logistics processes to be simplified.

[Former Member]

Hi Vladimir,

S/4 Finance and S/4 HANA are the same. SAP used to call Simple Finance 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 and now SAP calls them as S/4 Finance 1503, 1511 etc...

There are some limitation with this release (SP00) but with later release like 1602/1605 most of the limitation will be removed.

Regards,

Vikash

[vladimir_kogan4]

Hi.

Thank you.

If so, what re the differences between 1503 and 1511?

Regards

Vladimir

[Former Member]

Hey Vladimir,

1503 is the second release of Sfin / S/4 HANA Finance by SAP also called as SFIN 2.0

It had a lot of changes and new features in Finance area.

The 1503 release of S/4 HANA had mainly changes in FICO area and the main migration was involved for Finance and controlling related elements.

Now the next release 1508 was also for Financials solution and if you are in 1503 already , there is not much of migration involved.

The next release 1511 has a lot of changes. This release has SAP Simple Logistics solutions.

This has changes in a lot of area like master data ( BP being mandatory for Vendors- Customer etc), in Material management ( new table structure for MM data) and also changes in FICO ( a lot of changes in Asset Accounting)

So if you are moving to 1511 there will a good migration effort and it will be across modules.

Do read about this in help.sap to decide the path.

Hope this helps,

Please close the thread.

Regards

Rishab

[vladimir_kogan4]

Thank you !!!

Does it mean that technically 1511 will override 1503?

I mean only 1511 will be updated for stacks.

Regards

Vladimir

[Former Member]

Yes Vladimir, you are right,

1511 will override the components ( like SAP_FIN) and might have new components ( my guess)

Please check with your basis colleague on this one.

Regards

Rishab