SAP XI versus BizTalk

Former Member · ‎01-19-2006

We plan to upgrade our existing SAP systems to ERP 2005 and CRM 5.0. Within our landscape, we use BizTalk 2002 (to be upgraded to BizTalk 2006) to process message (data formating and validating) from other systems before sending it to SAP system.

1. Does anyone have any experience in using BizTalk 2006 with ERP 2005/ CRM 5.0?

2. Can SAP XI replace BizTalk? Why need both?

3. What are the key differences between XI and BizTalk?

4. What are the criterias that should be considered when comparing the two?

Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Francis

Former Member · ‎09-21-2007

Hi,

Some one , please , I need the PDF presentation on XI VsBiztalk

Please somebody send me the PDF presentation on alies52@gmail.com

Thanking you in advance.

Regards

Ali

Former Member · ‎08-22-2007

Hi

can any one send this Pdf to me also ..

abhishek.agrahari@wipro.com

Thanks !!

samiullah_qureshi · ‎06-18-2007

HI all,

please, can someone who got the pdf-file and the presentation forward it to me.

It would be great!!!

E-Mail is qsami05@gmail.com

Thank you very much

Regards,

Sami

samiullah_qureshi · ‎06-18-2007

HI all,

please, can someone who got the pdf-file and the presentation forward it to me.

It would be great!!!

E-Mail is qsami05@gmail.com

Thank you very much

Regards,

Sami

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sami qureshi

Former Member · ‎04-18-2007

Hello,

Please somebody send me the slides to whyew@obtechglobal.com

Thank you in advance. Have a nice day

Regards

Teddy

Former Member · ‎04-16-2007

HI,

See the below links

Bizz talk

you can download a SAP adapter for biztalk trial:

http://www.microsoft.com/biztalk/evaluation/adapter/adapters/sap/2004/sap_overview.mspx

and check the config guide:

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=33470

Please check this:

These documents will also help u

https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/90e1b3a2-0a01-0010-bcb7-98519b19...

https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/7521a237-0701-0010-499b-b3285b78...

Reliable Messaging between SAP XI 3.0 and Microsoft BizTalk Server 2004 Using SOAP-Compliant Communication

https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/7521a237-0701-0010-499b-b3285b78...

Regards

Chilla

former_member160248 · ‎04-16-2007

Hello,

Please will someone send me the PDF on XI - BizTalk comparison to carrdj@oge.com

Thanks.

David Carr

Former Member · ‎03-31-2007

Somebody please send the PDF as well soniamadan06@gmail.com

Former Member · ‎03-31-2007

Hi Roberto,

Would you be so kind to also send me the PDF

I am a SAP newbie just beginning to learn

email: Venkatesh.Gururaja@yahoo.com

Thanks

Venkatesh

Former Member · ‎10-27-2006

Guess what I'm going to ask for.....please can someone send the doc to me on louise.cardy@trafford.gov.uk

many thanks

Former Member · ‎10-25-2006

Hi

Could you please send the presentation to alcockkevin@hotmail.com

Thanks,

Kevin

Former Member · ‎09-25-2006

Could someone please send me Roberto's PDF to nicolas.dijkstra@sap.com?

I'm implementing XI in an environment where BizTalk is the main middleware (message transformation and routing to legacy systems) and SAP Exchange Infrastructure as a bridge between ECC and the former integration software. It would be great to share different approaches to the solution from an XI (SLDIRID) point of view.

Thanks in advance

Message was edited by: Nicolas Dijkstra

Former Member · ‎09-22-2006

Pls anyone send me PDF for XI and BizTalk comparision.

Thanks and Regards

Former Member · ‎09-12-2006

Hi,

Would anyone be so kind to also send me the PDF, I have the same issue. email: sagie567@yahoo.com

Many many thanks,

Sagie

Former Member · ‎08-23-2006

Hi Experts

could you please send that files(PPT $ PDF's) to my mail id vancha16@yahoo.com

thanks

priya

Former Member · ‎08-02-2006

Dear Roberto,

could you please also send me the Files & PPT for me at jayskapadia@gmail.com

Regards

Jay Kapadia

BrianVanderwiel · ‎07-24-2006

Please send me the PDF as well - thanks!

brian.vanderwiel@verizon.com

Former Member · ‎06-27-2006

May I get the pdf?

ferry.ong@gmail.com

Thanks.

Former Member · ‎06-22-2006

Hi Francis,

From cost perspective, XI is already included in SAP business suite. So for SAP ERP-to-CRM integration, XI is free. Moreover, since XI contents are provided, this can further minimize the implementation effort and upgrade risk.

Regards,

Ken

Former Member · ‎06-21-2006

Hi,

Please send me the PDF document..

my id is netpicker9@yahoo.com

Thanks

Former Member · ‎06-21-2006

Hi Francis,

BizTalk's main weakness is their Adapter for SAP.

It doesn't support RFC Server. In XI terms, this means no RFC Sender Adapter. You can't make an RFC call from R/3 to BizTalk. This is a huge lack of functionality.

BizTalk is an excellent product, but when it comes to connecting it to SAP, it can't compare to XI, webMethods, or Tibco.

Thanks

Former Member · ‎06-20-2006

HI all,

please, can someone who got the pdf-file and the presentation forward it to me.

It would be great!!!

E-Mail is joerg.deppe@sapicon.de

Thank you very much

Regards,

Jörg

Former Member · ‎06-19-2006

Greetings Robert-

Is it possible you send a copy of this to me also? As there were many posts regarding interest on this, could you make a submission to SDN for download on the XI page?

Thanks and regards,

james

Former Member · ‎06-19-2006

Hello Roberto,

I have read your topic just now and I´ve nearly the same questions as Francis.

Please, can you forward me the pdf. This would be great.

My E-Mail is joerg.deppe@sapicon.de.

Thanks a lot and regards

Jörg

Former Member · ‎06-19-2006

hi

i am also looking forward for such kind of information

can u plz send me the presentation and the pdf.

my id is ghoshpriya@gmail.com

Thanks & Regards

Priya Ghosh

Former Member · ‎03-15-2006

Hi All,

Can any of you please send me PDF presentation to gsreddysdoc@gmail.com

Thanks

Abha

Former Member · ‎02-20-2006

Hi Francis,

I can share few differences between SAPXI and BIZZTALK,

Mail me on this id venkat.donela@wipro.com for the doc.

Cheers!

Venkat

Former Member · ‎01-20-2006

Hi Francis,

in my company we had more or less the same situation 2 years back, a existing BizTalk solution, and whether we should introduce XI or not.

We concluded with the following; BizTalk should be used as the main integration engine between the different system landscapes and ALL external communication, and XI should be used as the integration engine for all data to/from our SAP system landscape. Depending on the integration scenario, we may use both.

BizTalk will not see any SAP systems, only web services exposed by XI or using IBM MQ depending on an async/sync integration scenario.

We believe that XI is better with integration from/to SAP, and;

- In future SAP will deliver out of box integration for the XI system (XI content) for Enterprise Services Architecture

- Several components in the NetWeaver stack are using XI for communication

We have a SAP system landscape with several 46C systems (IS/OIL, HR ...) and newer NetWeaver solutions.

I can give you a brief resume of our experiences – my background is ABAP developer since ’98, I have implemented a few BizTalk solutions to SAP 46C, and I’m a certified XI developer and developed several XI solutions between SAP 46C/640 and BizTalk.

BizTalk ******

Overall communication between SAP systems and BizTalk depending on the integration scenario and who is the initiator:

SAP 46C to BizTalk:

There are no good mechanisms available for sending data from 46C to BizTalk, we are using HTTP_POST with XML payload. Then you must use the iXML library on the SAP side, its ok, but you will spend, in my point of view, too many hours on XML programming that can be generated automatically.

BizTalk to SAP 46C - Which SAP adapter to use for BizTalk?

We started with SAP adapter from IWay, but that adapter gave us a lot of problems on the BizTalk server (pretty complex adapter with strange behaviour, and several integration scenarios stopped working for no reason at all (unstable)).

Due to several severe problems, we switched to SAP adapter from Microsoft 1 year back in time. If I don’t remember wrong, back then, the SAP adapter from Microsoft did not support parameter of type string or table types – so there are/were some limitations regarding the signature of the RFC function.

The SAP adapter from Microsoft is more stable than the previous, BUT we have some hick ups with that one as well when BizTalk does very frequent calls to SAP 46C.

SAP 640 to/from BizTalk:

I assume you can use the web service functionality on the SAP side in order to send/receive data, but I don’t know whether 640 support asynchronous web service.

XI *****

The communication mechanism between different SAP systems and XI are much better than with BizTalk:

SAP 46C to XI:

Configure a sender communication channel with RFC adapter; basically the XI system will be RFC server so the only thing you have to do is to create a RFC port on the 46C system “pointing” to the XI system. In the Abap program, you can do normal function calls with destination (RFC port) AND the RFC call will automatically be translated to XML on the XI side.

Thus, you can forget all about the iXML library and XML rendering of the payload to HTTP.

Besides, you can choose to use sRFC, tRFC or even qRFC depending on the integration scenario and whether you want guaranteed delivery.

XI to SAP 46C:

More or less same as BizTalk using a SAP adapter, but string and table types are supported.

SAP 640 to/from XI:

This is a very nice situation, every 640 has a local integration engine, so the main integration engine (XI) can send/receive XML messages both async/sync. Another advantage is using the SPROXY transaction on the 640 system, generating automatically a proxy class being able to send/receive messages based on a message interface defined in XI (outside-in programming).

Finally *****

BizTalk and XI are at a conceptual level identical, two integration engines with the purpose of send/receive, route and do message transformation (mapping) using adapters to different technical systems.

Microsoft has a lot of resources available and for sure, BizTalk will be a very good choice for most companies.

SAP came late with XI, but they are not trying to make the best integration engine, but good enough. And for sure, I think SAP will come with very nice XI content in time (interface mappings between message interfaces – business solutions) which is beyond BizTalk.

As an ABAP programmer I just love the transport system between development, quality and production systems. We are using the CMS transport systems between our development XI, quality XI and production XI – it is so nice and fast. With BizTalk you have to create a MSI file (installation file – which files to include…) and somehow transport the file (mail or whatever) to the quality environment for installation – really tedious work compared to XI.

So we are using BizTalk 2004 and XI 3.0 and are very happy with both.

Best regards

Torstein

Former Member · ‎01-20-2006

Hi Roberto,

would you be so kind to also send me the PDF, I have the same issue. email: lleevveenn@hotmail.com

TIA

Former Member · ‎01-19-2006

Hello Francis,

Some short answers to your questions:

> 1. Does anyone have any experience in using BizTalk

> 2006 with ERP 2005/ CRM 5.0?

Sorry, can't help you with this one.

> 2. Can SAP XI replace BizTalk? Why need both?

Yes, however, if you already have MS Biztalk in your landscape, then you should consider keeping it (this is more a financial argument than technical).

> 3. What are the key differences between XI and

> BizTalk?

Biztalk has been around for a while, whereas XI is a relative new product which still evolving.

> 4. What are the criterias that should be considered

> when comparing the two?

Performance, performance, are you planning to use XI in a SAP rich landscape?, What's is the architecture vision/strategy of your company? e.g. SOA, EAI, MOM?

>

> Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

> Francis

Francis, if you want I can send you an interesting PDF presentation about this topic, pls send me your email and I'll forward it to you.

Cheers, Roberto

Message was edited by: Roberto Viana

SAP XI versus BizTalk

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