About the first inspection before mass production ,and the end inspection after mass production

[Former Member]

Hi ,experts :

       There is a scenario about my customer : before mass production they need to do first inspection avoid a lot of defect for the finish goods ; and he also need  doing the end inspection to check whether the mold can be used for next batch or need to do some repair .

     I want to add two operations in the routing ,but it seems unreasonable .

     Can anyone give me some advice  for it ? thanks advance .

[former_member42743 · Accepted solution]

The question is if the mold is tracked and inventoried as equipment in SAP.

If not, you can simply use an 04 inspection lot that is created when you do the first GR for the first item.  When the GR is done, the lot is created.

In the inspection plan, I'd setup two operations.  The first would be a description of "Product Check".  under this operation, place any characteristics related to inspecting the product.

In the second operation, I'd use a description of "Post Production Mold Inspection".  In here you can add any characteristics related to the mold inspection.  You might set these up as long-term inspections so you can UD the actual stock.

You can use workcenters if the product inspectors are different from the mold inspectors.  This can be used to limit who can record against which operations.

Now...If you actually inventory the mold as equipment, then you should create a PM work order to perform the inspection of the mold as Arigit suggested above.  If you assigned the mold as a PRT to the products inspection lot, you could than maybe create a follow-up action to the UD to automatically create the PM work order for the PRT assigned to the lot.  You'd also place the PRT out-of-service using that follow-up action.  Once the inspection lot for the mold is processed, the UD would put the mold back in service.

Craig

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Dear  Craig :

         In your answers , you mentioned that "You can use workcenters if the product inspectors are different from the mold inspectors.  This can be used to limit who can record against which operations. "  , Can you help to tell me how to do it step by step ,thanks very much !

ivy

[former_member42743 · Accepted solution]

It's really a security issue.  Not a QM issue.

Workcenter is a paramter for the results recording transaction QE01.  It is probably wildcarded in your system to "*".  Create profile for mold inspectior and one for product inspectors. For each profile assign the appropriate work center(s).

  Assign the profile to the approprate users.  Assign the work centers at the operation level of the inspection plan or receipe/routing.

Craig

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Dear Craig :

        Thanks a lot !

[Former Member]

HI Craig :

    Thanks .

[former_member207800]

If you don't calculate cost of the inspection activity, I recommend that you add some insp. characteristic in existing operation.

Otherwise you want to control next production operation, you have to add operations.

Regards

[Former Member]

Hi kim :

     Thanks .

      Add operation is not feasible .Because until the the first goods 's result is OK , then the workshop can do the rest production .

    thanks.

[busyaban7]

Hi Avril Liu,

I hope Google translator has pronounced your name correctly.. right?

Well, please can you answer my below queries -

a) Are you working for metal manufacturing industry or cast house?

b) What exactly mean by First inspection here. Do you mean the mold you use for production process is checked before the production activity.

c) Aren't you testing the material in-process to understand the quality of produced material?

d) How is your 'end inspection' done? Is that linked to the finished materials or only the Mold or both?

e) How is the material quality ensured? Is there any mechanism linked to it?

f) Are you using SAP QM + PM module in your business or you are only using SAP QM module?

Thanks,

Arijit

[Former Member]

HI Arijit Banerjee ：

     Thanks for responding .

      The first inspection means ,for example  ,the plant need to product 1000 pcs goods ,then the workshop will product 1 pcs and inspection it , to check whether the quality is OK or not .If Ok ,then start product the 1000 pcs ,else ,then will need some one to find the reason and correct ,until the result is OK , then start to product massively.

      As for the end inspection means ,for example ,after mass production (via  N production order),the workshop need to confirm whether the mold can be used any more ,then , he will check the last production order 's goods(according some rules) ,to inspection the finish good's quality  ,judging whether need to change the mold or not .

      I had the opportunity to use SAP QM+PM .

      Thanks !

[busyaban7]

Hi Avril Liu,

OPTION - A

I think, you can try the below option which may not be the best solution but looks logical to me -

a) Create to inspection types 8901 (Initial Mold Manual Inspection) and 8902 (Final Mold Manual Inspection) and assign them to inspection lot origin 89. Please note these inspection types are manually created and these are not linked to stock movement.

b) Use the inspection type 8901 to test the initial condition of the process. In case if the UD = R, then use enhancement to create a new 8901 inspection lot by linking the old number in "TEXT" field.

c) If the next inspection UD = R, then repeat the manual inspection lot 8901 inspection lot creation step. If the inspection lot 8901 UD = A, then this process is Good to start he process. So create a follow-up action and send emails to stakeholders.

d) If you are not interested in testing the in-process quality of the produced materials, then you need not need 04 inspection type to be added for GR inspection. If you do test (I think yes, based on your answer...) you can add this inspection type to your material. Then you will be able to Release/Block your produced materials too using UD= A/R  respectively.

e) Once the production process is complete, you can create manual inspection 8902 to test the mold characteristic. If the UD = R, then again execute the enhancement to create a new inspection lot 8902, by adding the previous inspection lot number in TEXT field, and keep repeating this process. If the UD = A, then there is no further need for testing, and follow-up mail can be send to the stakeholders for the completion of the process.

OPTION - B

Else, you may need to use inspection type 14 linked to your equipment doing the production, to test the mold characteristics. This process will be linked to PM-QM module, and you need to map this process too.

1st inspection can be linked to 89 manual inspection to double check the process and the final inspection after entire production can be done through inspection type 14. Checking the produced material quality will again need inspection type 04 activation like normal process.

Thanks,

Arijit

[Former Member]

Hi Arijit :

     Thanks very much .

      Users simply want to automatically generate inspection lot, so I think there should be other options to meet the user. If there is a better solution, and user adoption, and I will come here to inform.

      Thanks.