Lumira Server for BI Platform and Team/Edge consumption & licensing question

[mike_howles4]

Hi.  I have a few questions.

Question 1:

From my reading, I've heard that Lumira Edge/Team server may not be a part of BI-Suite License.  I read a Lumira Server ASUG Webcast recap by here () over the weekend and one of the Q&A questions struck me:

Q: Is this included with the BI Suite license from SAP?
A: Lumira Server for Teams (Edge Edition) is not covered under BI Suite License. However, Lumira Server for BI Platform (RTC Planned in April) is covered under BI Suite licenses

In a separate conversation late 2014, I thought I'd heard that Lumira Team/Edge server was supposed to be usable by BI Suite licensed customers, but it sounds like I'm mistaken?

Question 2:

Next, the second part of the statement gave me hope:

However, Lumira Server for BI Platform (RTC Planned in April) is covered under BI Suite licenses

I then looked at the by to get some more information on Lumira Server for BI Platform.  This slide gave me some hope (emphasis mine in green):

But then I see some more information a little later:

Is this slide to imply that the version without HANA (or HANA XS) for BI Platform will only really just serve as a user rights management and Lumira document repository?  And that if I want to view a Lumira document, I must still open from the Lumira Desktop client?

It was suggested I start a new discussion thread to ask this licensing question about a product that's not out yet (but the slide says it's GA so I'm still confused) so here I am with my discussion thread!

Hopefully someone can make me less confused.  I'm hoping the answer is as a BI-Suite customer that we do not have to make a decision to either invest in new Edge/Team licenses or buy HANA XS hardware to establish a beachhead of Lumira usage in our organization.  We've been struggling with promoting Lumira and the sharing piece has been the sore spot.

[former_member184466 · Accepted solution]

Hey, Michael. Sorry for the confusion! You have three options for Server:

Lumira Server for HANA (XS engine). This is the enterprise engine. You can connect to the BI platform for trusted data discovery with the Lumira Server for HANA engine and a BI add-on (in ramp-up). This is what is covered under "available now."

Lumira Edge edition, server for teams is the new option covered in the ASUG webcast. This will not be part of your BI Suite license.

Lumira, Edge edition, server for BI platform (see the upcoming webcast in April) is the Edge style server with connectivity to the BI platform, but using the in-memory, embedded engine (not HANA XS). Packaging is not yet totally finalized there, but the intent is that this version of Edge edition will be included in the BI Suite license.

Does that help?

[mike_howles4 · Accepted solution]

Hey Ina,

I think this makes me more confused.  Can you explain to me this note then:

http://service.sap.com/sap/support/notes/2121982

Excerpt:

SAP Lumira Server for Teams (standalone install) IS included with: 

SAP Lumira Edge edition license. 
SAP BusinessObjects BI Suite License

SAP Lumira Server for Teams (standalone install) is NOT included with:

SAP BusinessObjects BI Edge license.

Based on this Note, I take the first bullet point to indicate that BI Suite Licensed customers ARE licensed to have SAP Lumira Server for Teams.  You listed 3 types however I'm not connecting any of those names with the team server referenced in this Note.

Can you see my added confusion now? 

[former_member184466 · Accepted solution]

Now I'm confused, too, as that doesn't match my latest information. I'll double-confirm and reply back.

Server for Teams = Lumira, Edge edition server for teams.

[former_member184466 · Accepted solution]

Here's the good word. My summary above is correct. We need to update the Support note, and have started that process. Thanks for pointing out the discrepancy!

Lumira, Server for HANA: Included in BI Suite

Lumira, Edge edition server for teams: NOT included in BI Suite

Lumira, Edge edition server for BI Platform (not yet released): PLANNED TO BE included in BI Suite

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hello Ina and Michael,

apologies for the confusion around this one as I did not properly understand the communication from Sales on this one. Here is the correct version after my conversation with Sales today.

• SAP Lumira Edge edition license includes
  • SAP Lumira Server for Teams
  • SAP Lumira Server for BI Platform (available in 2015-Q2)
• SAP BusinessObjects BI Suite License includes
  • SAP Lumira Server for BI Platform (available in 2015-Q2)
  • SAP Lumira Server for HANA

Knowledge Base Article "2121982 - Why can't I download SAP Lumira Server for Teams?" has been corrected as well.

Thank you

James Anderson
SAP Active Global Support

[mike_howles4 · Accepted solution]

Ina,

Thank you for the ("good" is debatable ) word - As a lead-in to my second question where I hope the news is actually good, can you shed light on whether the not-yet-released Lumira, Edge edition for BI Platform (without HANA) can actually present the Lumira content via the BI LaunchPad or is it just a content repository and user rights management?  My question is in response to the second slide in the original post and hopefully it's just left out that little (big) feature?

I see little point for an analyst to opt to publish Lumira content to the BI Platform and still have to rely on the Lumira Desktop for their viewers to consume it.

[Henry_Banks · Accepted solution]

Yes, i can confirm, this is to enable Lumira content 'online' within the BILaunchPad. This is to Visualise charts and Compose stories/infographics.

There won't be a Prepare room online. Such 'online data provisioning' will be for a later release of Lumira suite.

Regards,

H

[som · Accepted solution]

You can view directly from BI launch pad.

[Henry_Banks · Accepted solution]

I believe the "Save to BI" workflow (from Desktop to BIPlatform, no online viewer) is supported since SP22 and BI4.1.5  (without any add-on or hana)

[mike_howles4 · Accepted solution]

Thank you!

[mike_howles4 · Accepted solution]

Awesome, thank you!

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hi James,

Now that we are imminently expecting the release of SAP Lumira Server for BI Platform, maybe even next week according to a webchat I attended yesterday, can you reconfirm whether it is still to be included within SAP Lumira Edge Edition?

My more recent understanding is that SAP Lumira Edge Edition and SAP Lumira Server for BI Platform will now be sold by SAP as separate, similarly priced, products.

Regards

Vincent

[former_member183750]

Hi Michael

You are right, it is confusing...

I think it will be better to contact sales to get this explained as opposed to technical support people that monitor this SCN Space.

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[mike_howles4]

Thanks, Ludek.  We already have a sales AE so we'll reach out to them to see if they know.

However my consumption question still stands which I'd consider technical in nature so I'll see who else may be able to answer further.

Appreciate the direction.

[mike_howles4]

This note indicated BI Suite licenses include Team Server;

http://service.sap.com/sap/support/notes/2121982

So I was confused by the answer from the ASUG webinar after all!