QM Early Inspection Lot 04 Not Created

[BradH]

I am attempting to create an early inspection lot for type 04 related to a production order.  I have assigned and activated 04 inspection type to the material master.  I have set the Control for Insp to Early Inspection lot for order item.  I have defined the necessay production master data for BOM's and Routing and I have define and inspection plan for type 5 Goods Receipt that is release, has Master Inspection Characteristics assigned and the check produces no mesages, wrnings or errors.

I manually create a production order for a quantity and schedule the order.  The BOM and Routing are pulled in without issue.  When I release the order, I do NOT see the Preparing Quality message and when I save the order.  The routing is one step so no confirmations have been made yet but parts are being produced so I go to results recording QE51N for the material with inspection lot origin 04 but no lot is presented for results recording.  I would expect to see the early created lot.  Any suggesttions are appreciated.

BH

[nitin_jinagal]

Hi Brad,

Of all the suggestions discussed here, you need to check following,

• Inspection type 04 is 'active' in material master QM view for this material. This is what you have to cross check again.
• Correct your usage in the inspection plan. Change it to 1 from 5 as I shown in snapshot earlier. This is one reason you don't see an inspection lot in QE51N because even if your lots are generating, they are creating with CRTD status and thus not visible.

Once inspection type is active and correct usage is assigned, create and release a new production order. You would get the early inspection lot for RR in QE51N.

ntn

[former_member338769]

Usage 1 only works with inspection type 03 (not 04).

I believe the origin 5 is correct in this case.

[former_member42743]

Evguenia,

The usage has NOTHING to do with the creation of the inspection lot.  At worse, an incorrect usage means the lot is created but no plan found and it winds up in CRTD state.

Further.. there is NO "right" usage.  You can only know the correct plan usage by looking at configuration as the usage that is utilized by a particular inspection type, is configurable.  You would only know a particular usage is incorrect if you can see what the client had configured.

I've had several clients where usage 1 was for both 01 and 04 lots.  And clients where usage 5 was for both 01 and 04 lots.   I have an 89 inspection type using a 5 usage and a Z89 inspection type using a 1.  It has nothing to do with inspection origin.

Also... 03 lots use routings and recipes so there isn't even any plan usage assigned in config to the 03 inspection type so I don't know why you say 01 only works with 03 and not 04.  You're mixing up the words usage and origin so I'm not even really sure what the heck you mean..

Also..Brad posted this on December 20th and has not responded back since then so obviously he's either on Holiday, or really doesn't much care for an answer so why bother now?

The only reason I'm replying back now is I don't want to see misleading and confusing information left out here.   I'm sorry but PLEASE verify what you post if you can before making recommendations here. 

Craig

[nitin_jinagal]

Hi Mr Craig,

Just for the confirmation.

 Further.. there is NO "right" usage.  You can only know the correct plan usage by looking at configuration as the usage that is utilized by a particular inspection type, is configurable.  You would only know a particular usage is incorrect if you can see what the client had configured.

Do we maintain this in configuration in the following path

Quality Management> Quality inspection> Inspection lot creation> Maintain inspection types> Selecting the inspection type and maintaining the task list usage under 'Inspection planning' ?

Am I correct ?

ntn

[former_member42743]

Yes.. that is correct. You'll see for an 03 inspection type there is no place to specify an inspection plan usage.  For most of the other inspection types you can change it to whatever suits you.  For instance, most places want at least one manual (89) inspection type to use the same usage as 04 so they can reinspect just like they do in an 04. 

But also, since some places use batch derivation, not all the tests are in an 04 inspection, so they might have another manual (Z89) inspection type that uses a plan usage that has all the tests available for the material, not just those in the final inspection.

Some places can buy a material as well as make a product.  So they set all 01 inspection types to use the same usages as the 04 thus saving on creating plans.

Craig

[nitin_jinagal]

Thank you so much for sharing this information. I was not aware of this. I used to think this is standard configuration and would not work if changed to other value.

Yes, I checked it for 03 and there is nothing to specify usage.

I would definitely run few scenarios with different values in sandbox. Thank you once again for this value addition

ntn

[former_member338769]

Craig,

Firstly, NOWHERE in my post did I make a statement that
the usage has got anything to do with early inspection lot not being created.

I merely expressed an opinion in response to Nitin’s
comment. My opinion is that in most cases and if standard SAP configuration was
left intact, usage 1 works with inspection type 03. Therefore, according to SAP
standard settings, usage 1 is correct for 03 insp type. If you cannot
select usage for 03 type, then how does the system know which usage to apply?

Also looking back at my post, I cannot see any mentioning
of 03 lots working with inspection plans, so I am guessing that was an
assumption on your part that I was implying that they do, which (I am guessing
again) could lead to you being unsure what the heck I mean…

Also just because the post was made back in mid December,
I never thought that it meant the post was closed. Moreover, my thinking has
always been that this is an open forum for people to express opinions (not
necessarily recommendations) in response to someone asking for help. Clearly,
my response provoked some discussion, which can’t all be such a bad thing.

I am also SORRY if my post has touched a nerve, that
was obviously not the intention, but PLEASE keep in mind that your post could
be quite discouraging for someone who might be a newbie to be involved with
this forum and without newbies getting involved, any forum has potential of
becoming stagnant and repetitive as well as one-sided, which I am hoping you
will agree with.

I was looking through the The SCN Rules of Engagement and
would like to refer you to point number 7, especially that you are listed as a
Moderator for the QM forum.

Be professional and courteous. Temper negative emotions, keeping communications
professional. Do not berate other members for asking questions or
posting something you don’t like. The community is intended to be open on a
variety of topics.

http://scn.sap.com/docs/DOC-18590

Evguenia

[former_member42743]

Evguenia,

You are right in that you did not indicate that 01 usage has nothing to do with creation of the lot.  You also didn't say that it didn't'.  It appears your post was supporting Nitin in that usage affects creation.

in either case, the 01 usage has no connection to 03 inspection lots.  Look at the config that Nitin posted and you'll see this.  SAP has this in the code that an 03 lot gets characteristics from routings and recipes and does not use inspection plans at all.  I'm not sure why you think the 01 usage is used for 03 lots.

You also mention origin in your reply and origin has no affect on usage as usage is assigned to inspection type and not inspection origin.

My intention was not to discourage new users.  But the comments regarding usage were very wrong.  not just somewhat wrong.  It had nothing to do with not "liking" the reply or you.

Currently the moderators are having a lot of discussion in the moderator's forum on dealing with OP's that don't close questions or respond in a timely fashion to postings.  We are trying to find ways to improve this.  We also have problems with people point gaming as well.   So yes.. We are sensitive to resurrecting posts.   Maybe I jumped the gun on this one.  Moderators aren't perfect.

It was the combination of the reply on a posting that appears to be dead, (since the OP hasn't responded since day 1), and the fact that the information posted was so incorrect.

Craig

[nitin_jinagal]

Hi Evguenia,

I agree with your concern but what Mr Craig has earlier said is also correct. You said usage 1 only works with 03 but not 04. This is not correct !!

I myself using usage 1 for inspection type 04. You can see from the further posts on this thread that basic fundamentals for the usage and inspection types are appropriately discussed and well understood. Yes, this is an open forum for all and one can surely participate and express the views but please, it is not meant to get provoked, not at all

I have done few mistakes in the past by making incorrect/half statements and I was immediately informed by esteemed members of this forums, but I took that as an input and enhanced my knowledge. I never took it other way.

We all here for learning and assist other, not for some competition. Please remain calm and be with us to learn and help each other

ntn

[nitin_jinagal]

Do we get CRTD batches in QE51N? I don't know I didnt use it that much so cant remember. May be lots are getting generated but due to system status not REL, they are not visible in QE51N. First re check what Mr Craig has suggested, then check for any CRTD insp lot in QA32.

Rerun a new test case with all correct settings.

ntn

[former_member42743]

You are correct Nitin.  CRTD lots will not show up in QE51n.  They must be REL.

Craig

[former_member42743]

If the usage was incorrect you should still get the inspection lot.  You just wouldn't get an inspection plan assigned.  The lot would have a status of CRTD and not REL.

I suspect maybe that the order was created but not released prior to you activating the inspection type.

Also.. PLEASE.. go back and double check that the indicator "Active" is ticked on for inspection type 04 in the material master inspection setup.  Everyone misses doing this at least a few times when adding new inspection types.  It's one reason I encourage people to use QA08 to add the inspection types, even if you are doing just one material.

Craig

[nitin_jinagal]

Oh Yes. You are right. Wrong usage would make the CRTD status & inspection lot generation is dependent on 'active'. Thank you again Mr Craig 🙂

ntn

[nitin_jinagal]

and I have define and inspection plan for type 5 Goods Receipt that is release, 

Hi,

Change the Usage to 1 (Production) and status to 4 (Released (general)).

You use 5 for GR, commonly for 01 inspection type.

Please refer below snap shot for required settings,

Rerun a scenario and you'll get the inspection lot.

ntn