idea-place

[martin_heigl]

Hi,

SAP have a nice idea-place https://ideas.sap.com

I think,this place is a very good idea. Why not for Powerbuilder?

regards

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

I looked into this some time ago and then forgot about it. 

Mostly because not only do I have to have a separate account to log on (separate from my SCN account) but also because I have no idea how to submit 'ideas'.

First I am here.  I think, Okay, lets try 'My Idea Place'...

And now I am here where I can do, hmmm, what??

[martin_heigl · Accepted solution]

Hi Matt,

go to idea-session-directory and then you can choose the area.

But current no "powerbuilder"

regards

Martin

[martin_heigl]

Hi,

back to the origin-topic ...

the current idea-place for powerbuilder is in http://my.isug.com/p/is/ty/type=16

.. not on the sap-pages

regards

Martin

[former_member190719]

Because PowerBuilder is still not on the SAP price book yet.  Everything else is dependant on getting on the price book, and until that happens, nothing else happens.

[Former Member]

Bruce,

you have hit the nail in the head! PowerBuilder does not exists as far as SAP is concerned. If it's not on the price list then forget it!

Guess what? people will forget it!

[Former Member]

Hi David;

  I agree ... Sue Dunnell told us last February that PB & IM should be all set-up in the SAP price book by March 2013. Here we are now almost in June and if Bruce is correct and these products are still not in the price book we (the PB community) have a serious problem!

Regards ... Chris

[Former Member]

We had originally targeted Nov 2012, and ran into a 3rd party issue. March 2013 was our next targeted date, and that has been delayed; I'm hoping to get an update in the near future.

[former_member190719]

That's actually not what I said.  I said it isn't in the price book yet.  Once it is, there are quite a number of people at SAP interested in promoting it's use.

And perhaps folks will understand why it was so important to get the 12.5.2 maintenance release out, since (as Sue indicated elsewhere in the thread) it held up getting PowerBuilder into the price book.

[Former Member]

Sue, I appreciate you chipping in here but frankly you have said nothing.

Right now I cannot get a quote for PB Licenses or Training and so cannot service my existing and more importantly new customers for PB.

Hoping to do something is wearing a bit thin now, I apologise for being sarcastic, but I'm hoping to win the lottery but in reality its never going to happen.......

[Former Member]

I understand, and I'm giving you all the info that I have available.

[Former Member]

Bruce I hear what you are saying, but to be quite frank how difficult is it to get a product that already exists on to a price list? That has to be the most pathetic excuse I have ever heard.

I'm sure you are right, but that does not make it good.

[Former Member]

Thank you Sue, you must be as frustrated as we are then

[former_member190719]

It's apparently a rather Herculean, or perhaps even Sisyphean, task.  The great thing about having a huge company like SAP as the owner of PowerBuilder is that they have tremendous resources they can bring to bear to help the product.  The not-so-great thing about having a huge company like SAP as the owner of PowerBuilder is that they have lots of huge company policies and procedures, bureaucracy, etc. in place that can make it rather lethargic.  Somewhat akin to the difference between trying to do a course change in a catamaran and an ocean liner.

[Former Member]

the process is actually pretty thorough, and several sybase products that have gone onto the SAP price list and switched to SAP pricing models are now trying to move back to the Sybase model. That is just one factor that is affecting our process, but as Bruce said, it is a process that is quite different from what we had at Sybase.

[Former Member]

As you may have gathered patience is not my strong point. The fact that I cannot service customer requests that are generated by my marketing expenditure (not yours) is very annoying. I cannot stop the marketing process as that would undermine the years of effort that we have put in to establish Powersoft as the point of excellence in the UK for PowerBuilder.

We are a small company somewhat like a jet ski to use Bruce's analogy, but we have limited fuel to keep running whilst we wait for the liner to catch up. SAP needs to support companies like ours who invest in partnering with them, at the moment we are feeling pretty lonely and ignored.

The advantage of being a small agile company is that we can quickly adjust to market forces and we will seek out and are pursuing alternative business partners. If SAP takes too long we will be gone....

[Former Member]

Hi Sue;

  Thank you (I think) for the update on the current situation.

  Its amazing though in this high-tech world of IT that while we design our systems with proper back-ups, redundancies, parallel processing, fail-over, etc - that SAP has not the "common sense" to keep the old Sybase systems going and the "lights on" until the new system is ready to take over. Is it just me or is SAP just OTL on this basic requirement?

  I certainly feel for David's situation and would echo that my Canadian Federal government clients are looking at this situation with a significant raised eyebrow. If SAP wanted to push customers away from PowerBuilder and SAP products in general .. their plan is working very well.  

Regards ... Chris

[Former Member]

Hi Martin;

  PowerBuilder is also missing from the Road-Map and Webinars sections of SCN as well. 

http://scn.sap.com/docs/DOC-33110

Regards ... Chris

[martin_heigl]

Hi Chris,

and other SAP-Products too, example SAP Business One

regards

Martin