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Hola gurus,

First of all, may all your sy-subrc = 0 in the new year 2017! Have a good one! :-)

On a less celebratory note... I have been watching the affect of the new site on the security area and can quite safely say now that it is dead, or been killed. We have on average 1 question every 2 days (sometimes even a week goes by without activity) and on average an answer once per week. The only answer in 2017 so far is also commercially soliciting candidate, so I am tempted to reject even that..

In comparison it was about 50 new items per day in the past when activity was vibrant.

It seems that the change was simply too big and the new site simply too buggy and unfamiliar and not intuitive to use... so virtually everyone is gone. At least all "locals" who used to be active seem to be gone now since weeks.

Is this an extremely hard-hit area or is it a general observation in other areas as well?



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  • Jan 09, 2017 at 12:42 PM

    It's the same in other areas as well. But I'm glad to "see" you still hanging around, Julius. :)

  • Jan 09, 2017 at 01:23 PM

    Hey Julius!

    No second thoughts about your position on gamificiation? :)

    In FI/CO/PSM domain, the drop is the same: we have about 13-15% of 2016 activity and that's counting asked questions. Judging by answered questions, the ratio is even more gloomy, around 3-5%.



    • Jan 09, 2017 at 03:31 PM

      The few "threads" there are have very low view stats. I think that people cannot find things when they dont have some usable structure to orientate themselves by. No, it looks like we are alone here.

      Cheers, Julius

      • Jan 10, 2017 at 05:43 AM

        What saves the SAP team now, is the impossibility to run any reliable comparison - page views on questions are calculated differently (in the old site each view and refresh incremented the counter, now you have to be logged on and your view counts only once); the number of questions for a topic space cannot be compared to questions per tag (in the old SCN a question belonged to one topic space, in the new site a question has multiple tags assigned, which means that we will count them more than once). I am not even sure that 18893 questions in total is a correct number, because we have so many bugs and design disasters, that I can't trust the dedicated development and beta-testing team (if this exists at all). You can't use web statistics for comparisons, because the new site requires multiple page refreshes to use it (increased page views); on the other hand, it also uses infinite scrolling in lists, so you can't compare that to a site, which uses pagination.

        For SD, the percentages, which Eli mentions, are (probably!) similar, and we are lucky to have just 3 tags - all with meaningful descriptions and a topic page, unlike others. If SD was renamed like QM was, or ended up with 10+ tags, the results would be much worse. Most of the SD questions get comments/answers from moderators, only a few of the old-timers appear once in a while. I don't think that it is just the holidays. Maybe they found some alternative website for collaboration or went into lurker mode, or decided that the nice warm feeling that you have helped someone it is not worth the eye fatigue and the frustration of using a bugged (and really ugly-looking) website, which lacks basic functionalities.

        If it were not for the moderators, who keep on re-tagging questions and replying to users, who got completely lost, I think, the percentages would be lower (I don't know of an easy way to calculate how many were re-tagged or which comments/answers are merely a guidance to the forum member how to formulate better the question).

        I wonder when these 'lazy-bones', who dump their specs here, will figure out that their 'private data' is not exactly 'private' and that people can easily see their company and location :)

        • Jan 10, 2017 at 08:45 AM

          I'm going now to express an heretic thought :)

          What if we drop tags completely and restore the meaning they've had under Jive platform? That is, purely informational, additional search parameters... and, in exchange, get back to spaces?! If 'space' became a cuss word, let's call it 'domain' :). Professional forums should be highly focused and not dispersed as SCN became under new regime. If the road chosen appears to be wrong (and 3 months of drastically reduced activity cannot lie), wouldn't it be wiser to pick up another one, even if it is 'old'? Especially, knowing that the one used before was better?

          • Jan 10, 2017 at 03:28 PM

            What kind of manager would admit that so much development effort, time and budget was spent on a non-working solution? Imagine how this would look to the public - SAP claims prizes for design, they can't be delivering something with non-superb quality, right? It is just the users (dinosaurs) 'not getting it'. :)
            Tags probably are good for SAP analytics (assuming that the solution is well-developed); if we go for domains, nobody will bother setting the correct tags.

            I would be really happy if we could go back to 'domains' with meaningful module descriptions, but I am afraid, after several months of operation, there is no turning back, they probably can't manage to migrate the new content to 'domains' (budget and resource constraints among other things).

            Speaking of design... I feel that the whole SAP corporate site needs some of work to become usable- take for example training and certification shop: I find the navigation confusing, the experience with Firefox is not very good. I am comparing it to the Oracle site, where a non-experienced person can easily find what he needs (I know, mentioning Oracle here is some form of blasphemy, but when somebody wishes to spend a considerable amount for training or certification, this should be made a nice and easy task).

            • Jan 10, 2017 at 03:51 PM

              Well, their CEO admitted to something similar a couple of years ago


            • Jan 10, 2017 at 04:03 PM

              I believe in managers! With a bit of creativity and couple of Power Point's files and some charts, any defeat could be presented as 'minor inconvenience' and the entire re-working of the concept as 'continuous improvement' :)

              As for rewind migration, I guess, it would be much easier than the migration from spaces to tags. All that required is just mapping 2,800 primary tags to 30-40 domains, which shouldn't be a big deal.

              UI and design is another story. I fully agree that it contributes to confusion, but here there is some hope (am I too optimistic?) that it could and will be improved.

          • Jan 12, 2017 at 08:10 AM

            I have a better idea.
            Admit that this is a pile of Cr*p and go back to the old site......

  • Jan 09, 2017 at 01:38 PM

    Same with BPC related things! And not improving!

  • Jan 09, 2017 at 02:06 PM

    And why are you sporting a new account?! oO Just noticed this now, because I was not following this one.

    • Jan 09, 2017 at 03:22 PM

      Only supports an email address tied to 1 account now, but I had 2. So.. was forced to use the S-account as my SAP Passport is tied to that.

      Lost my moderator rights along with it but perhaps I will get it back again sometime (low priority).

      Cheers, Julius

      • Jan 09, 2017 at 04:37 PM

        "Only supports an email address tied to 1 account now, but I had 2. So.. was forced to use the S-account as my SAP Passport is tied to that." to my mind S-ID is not a good choice, it's not permanent...

      • Jan 26, 2017 at 03:30 PM

        I use my P account on Chrome and S account on IE. And never the twain shall meet.

  • Jan 09, 2017 at 02:34 PM

    you aren't satisfied with the fact that the people immediately learned to search when the new community was launched?

    Only those who have not learned find now all kind of other tags among the 2800 to post their questions, even they have no relation at all.

  • Jan 09, 2017 at 10:50 PM

    Actually the QM area has surged a bit in the past couple of weeks. Maybe up to 5-7 questions a week now as opposed to 2-3 a day previously.

    And if Jurgen wasn't redirecting people to the QM forum and retagging some posts, I think it would be a LOT worse.

    There are only 3-4 people answering questions and I believe 2 of them are only checking in maybe once a week.

    I'd love to see all the tags blown up and redesigned. It would be interesting to know how many of the tags have zero postings agaisnt them. Those should all be deleted from the system tomorrow. When was go-live? October? Almost 4 months of data should be good enought to start weeding out unused tags.


    • Jan 09, 2017 at 11:24 PM

      I am cool, very cool, with low noise levels!

      The lazy-bones who post their project specs or all center questions are gone as well. (Jürgen believes they are now using the search... :-) )

      But there are legitimate questions / discussions started which have no answers and very few people who used SCN before seem to be around now or know how to find them. certainly not a "selbst läufer" change for the better...

      Luckily the Coffee Corner is still easy to find -> -> Community -> Coffee Corner. If anything is important it will probably turn up here, along with some lesser important things and Friday afternoon banter.



      • Jan 09, 2017 at 11:38 PM

        some are still around posting even higher quality questions:

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        • Jan 10, 2017 at 11:38 PM

          I give it to you that it is a good sign in the new year 2017!

          Personally I never had a problem with people "bouncing" old unanswered threads if they used the search to find them. Points-mongers don't like it because the original poster is long gone and dead.

          That does not bother me and moderators can give recognition.

          The main problem is that an SDN user was slightly stunned by the SCN changes and now shell-shocked by> community platform.

          Lost for sure. Fail probably as well. The structure is missing which existed for 10 years.



    • Jan 10, 2017 at 08:32 AM

      I think that without putting this tag cleaning in an "official" idea, it will not be considered...

      I would vote for it... let's say all tags not used so far will be eliminated in first round...with a second round to follow one month later on tags used only rare.


  • Jan 10, 2017 at 01:04 PM

    Hi Julius,

    The same is happening here the Environment Health and Safety (EHS) area.

    I do not understand why we can't re-create the SCN-Spaces (as 'Community' on the new Platform) by linking the correct tags to the topics the old SCN-Spaces were dealing with?
    This would give everyone a familiar place to start with - while preserving the additional benefits of the TAG system....



  • Jan 10, 2017 at 09:03 PM

    Hi all,

    I'm going to address this to the whole thread because there are a lot of issues being discussed in this thread and I can't individually address each one to the extent it might deserve. That said, I'd ask that if you're interested in this navigation topic to please read this and decide if it's something you want to have input into, now's the time to get involved. While this initial group is specific to the navigation interface, the navigation topic goes across the entire bundle of community sites and applications and will benefit from ongoing input from invested community members. I would be interested in converting to an ongoing advisory group on navigation if there is enough interest.

    Thanks everyone for your thoughts and comments and complaints and suggestions. They are the fuel of change.



    SAP Community Experience

    • Jan 10, 2017 at 11:48 PM

      Hi Jamie,

      This looks like budget at least, but I have never seen you active on SDN before. Just "watching" is not enough we have a few years of that behind us already..

      From experience, I can assure you that sending you an email or ranting in the coffee corner has no effect.

      So what is the plot? How are you going to solve this navigation / search / intuition problem?



    • Jan 11, 2017 at 01:15 AM

      I am confused. I thought, that the whole point of the SAP Community site was, that it will be the result of joined efforts of the SAP Community members and the SAP project team.If I understood correctly the blog, we will be only looking at UI mockups and discussing at an early stage which option seems the most functional one - we are not getting access to a development/QA system, where we could potentially figure out how to abuse gamification or bypass security. So why the secrecy and NDA?

      • Jan 11, 2017 at 01:41 AM

        Hi Veselina,

        We are starting with the early stage concept and mockups. We'll probably have a few iterations of design, while working concurrently with IT on the backend development. Once we have something to test, we'd want input then, as well. Apologies if this was unclear. I will edit the blog post to add clarity.



        • Jan 11, 2017 at 08:27 AM

          Dear Jamie,

          Please, address Simone's remark just below... It looks (even, if it may be not 100% accurate) that the input from the community gets no feedback, except for reassuring words style 'we'll look into it', 'what a great idea', etc. It's sad, but true....This goes to Beta testing version months ago as well as to on-going platform. Idea's place is full of constructive suggestions and, at least one of them, could have been implemented in this period of three months, which passed since the go-live. However, none of these improvements/enhancements was done, despite verbal encouragement from SCN committee. Not mentioning numerous bugs which devastate the integrity of the community as many of contributors simply give up. This is resulted in dropped activity beyond all reasonable levels of cradle-phase of a new product. It goes directly from cradle to grave on a high-speed train and all attempts to pull the emergency break remain unanswered :(

          Kind regards,


          • Jan 11, 2017 at 03:18 PM

            Hi Eli,

            I've responded to Simone's comments below, but I also wanted to address your comment re: traffic/activity. This is a concern that I've seen shared many times since launch by fellow topic leaders and I'm working with the analytics folks to produce reports in the short term to help everyone better understand the current situation (sometimes perception is not always reflective of reality and we want to be sure we're all looking at the same numbers to get the full picture). We're also working on a longer term solution to allow better on-call access to relevant reports. I know "we're working on it" is getting old. Unfortunately, these things do take time to develop and, as you mentioned, we also have and have had some critical bugs that the developers need to get resolved, which also pulls them away from feature development. I know this is a frustrating situation for us all and we're learning more and changing how we operate based on all of the Community's feedback in the variety of channels before and since the launch.



            • Jan 11, 2017 at 03:36 PM

              Hi Jamie,

              First of all, thanks for your feedback.

              It's not 'we are working on it' that frustrates me. I'm in IT business myself for the last 20 years and have seen numerous projects in several sectors; hence,I'm fully aware of possible restrictions (budget, resources, planning, etc.) which might be an obstacle to any implementation. What bothers me, and I believe that I'm not the only one, is that the statistics are known already. It may be not official, but moderators who follow frequently their tags could not all be mistaken. So, if they report a drop of activity of 70-90% in their domains, then it is the fact, which has to be assessed. If the same moderators, including myself, say that most of top contributors got cold feet and running away, and that the ratio of answered questions is now frightfully low, these are also facts. I don't think that any DWH report, sophisticated as it can be, will revoke those facts or make them look better in some different perspective. I think, that three months was enough to acknowledge all this and make a relevant decision, even if its meaning would be admitting some of potentially wrong measures applied during development of the new platform.

              Kind regards,


    • Jan 11, 2017 at 07:57 AM

      Jamie, with all the respect, you (and i mean SAP ) already had all our feedback during the BETA last year.

      The result? Almost 90% of the bugs/missing features/comments look like were completely ignored.

      Why i should waste my time AGAIN?

      You have so many threads by valuable people like Jelena, Jurgen, Jeremy and Veselina (just to name the first four i got in mind) explaining in detail what's wrong and what's missing.

      Should we keep to repeat the same things over and over and over just get more and more frustrated with the results?

      My pessimistic innerself gots the upper hand when it comes to giving feedbacks about the shiny new, sorry.

      • Jan 11, 2017 at 02:29 PM

        I definitely understand the frustration, Simone. All the blog posts and all the feedback in beta and all the feedback post-launch are not falling on deaf ears. What I am proposing is for us to look together at a solution we are working on to solve many of the complaints about content discovery (navigation of the site, in particular) to ensure that this time we get it right. We've made mistakes and we're working to correct them by involving users from the full spectrum of the community (from power user to newbie) early on in the process to ensure that we don't waste more valuable time and resources developing "solutions" that don't meet your needs and expectations.

        • Jan 11, 2017 at 03:07 PM

          Well, let's talk business, then :) I believe, almost everyone from the mentors, moderators and just veterans on SCN is in favour of drastically reducing number of tags (as minimum solution) or getting back to spaces concept (optimally). Will this motion be applied?

          • Jan 11, 2017 at 03:20 PM

            I'm happy to share that the metadata team is actively reviewing the application of the managed tags taxonomy in the Community and making recommendations on how to simplify and clarify based on your (and other members') comments. We acknowledge that the current consumption of the corporate taxonomy doesn't necessarily always fit the Community's needs and we're working on an iteration that better suits the Community.

            • Jan 11, 2017 at 03:22 PM

              Wow, rereading that, it sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo marketing jargon, but the bottom line is "yes, we're working on it" (ugh, I am even getting tired of saying that!). But seriously, there is legitimate progress being made on fixing the overly complex tag structure.

            • Jan 11, 2017 at 03:54 PM

              Really liked this one :) I'll copy it and use this sentence in my steering committees meetings as well; I'm sure it will fit any situation, with a slight rephrasing! :)

            • Jan 30, 2017 at 07:25 PM

              Mumbo Jumbo for sure, wow! Corporate Taxonomy will be my phrase of the year!

        • Jan 11, 2017 at 03:24 PM
          All the blog posts and all the feedback in beta and all the feedback post-launch are not falling on deaf ears.

          Again, it's a matter of pratical feedback we had: zero, none, nothing, nada, nulla.
          We talked about this with Jerry in another thread (sorry, i do not remember which one) and Eli expressed the feeling pretty good just a comment up.

          Sorry, but this time, i pass: my feedback are all availables (and i know it's not a big loose for SAP since i'm such a thorn in the sides :P ).

          • Jan 11, 2017 at 04:25 PM

            Definitely understand - this is why I am asking for new volunteers instead of trying to pull from existing advisory groups. It's tough to keep advising when you feel like your advise is being ignored because you don't see tangible results yet - the exhaustion sets in. That said, if you change your mind, let me know. Your insights would be more than welcome.



            • Jan 12, 2017 at 04:56 PM

              I'm afraid there are not many people left out there who use SCN regularly but have not already become too frustrated with the new website and lack of reaction to the items that have already been brought to everyone's attention.

    • Jan 11, 2017 at 03:20 PM

      Hi Jamie,

      I commented your blog, but get a "Your comment is awaiting moderation." message.

      best Joachim

      [Edit: got it working, thanks Moshe!]

      • Jan 11, 2017 at 04:26 PM

        Thanks Joachim - glad you got the issue resolved. I've responded to you in the blog post comments.



    • Jan 12, 2017 at 01:13 PM


      I know you and rest of people are working hard, very hard, but SAP really needs to consider they have the wrong vision for customer engagement. If the results of changing the community based on a strategy that was created by someone who left your organization for greener pastures don't convince your organization you are on the wrong path then I don't know what will.

      Once again your 1DX strategy is anti-customer, anti-community and just a fundamentally wrong approach for customer engagement.

      This whole 1DX relaunch of community is class example of how not to do customer engagement or community. It's amazing how SAP went from being quoted as a great example in how to run a community by most customer engagement professional and decided to blow up and destroy it all for no good reason beyond hiring some "social media guru" who thought they knew better than the community at large.

      Until your organization fixes and acknowledges that your approach is wrong, you will never fundamentally fix the problems.

      Take care,


      • Jan 12, 2017 at 04:47 PM


      • Jan 13, 2017 at 08:03 AM


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      • Jan 13, 2017 at 09:49 AM

        ...something with a head and a nail

        Bravo Stephen you managed to put into words what a lot of folks here are thinking and feeling.

      • Jan 30, 2017 at 02:54 PM

        One interesting aspect of having chosen AnswerHub as the best of breed platform for our Q&A forum is the large number of their corporate blogs that cover mistakes to be avoided in building a community that works. Here's a few that I found interesting:

        Perhaps they should be mandatory reading before we implement a new community in the next iteration.

        Cheers, Mike (Moderator)
        SAP Technology RIG

        • Jan 30, 2017 at 04:59 PM

          It seems super-ironic that "1DX" actually consists of two platforms (AnswerHub and Wordpress) and UI doesn't even work the same way, other than some common elements thrown on top, like the menu of death.

          • Jan 30, 2017 at 05:25 PM

            Hi Jelena,

            Should it have been 2DX? Or maybe 4DX (AH, WP, Fiori for Chat/Moderation, and Wiki)?

            Cheers, Mike (Moderator)
            SAP Technology RIG

          • Jan 31, 2017 at 08:53 AM

            I had written that several days ago (don't find the according CC discussion, I'm still sucking at searching here), so I'm sorry to repeat myself...

            • When we speak of "one digital experience", we seem to mean "everything works similar and as expected everywhere".
            • In contrast, SAP probably means "You will make a similar, notable experience everywhere", i.e. something to remember and share.

            Obviously, I originally thought of it as an ironic statement, but now I'm forced to think over whether that is an actual and psychologically-based design decision. You see, if the new forum would just work as expected, wouldn't it be all too boring, compared to all the stories, tipps and tricks and scars we can talk about and share here, or all those discussions to improve things, or even ranting about the same "boss enemy" - is that not what makes a community...

            Conclusion: SAP, you are waaaayyyy too clever for me.

            Wow, it will take me a while to understand that brilliant concept.

        • Jan 30, 2017 at 05:12 PM

          I have always thought that articles, which contain '5 tips', '6 ways' etc. in the title, are read by people with a very rudimentary understanding of the subject, who are looking for easy shortcuts.

          After so many years of developing and supporting a platform, which used to be the home of one of the best communities, in which I have participated, I am confused why there would be a need for the project team to read these... not to mention that SAP has designers and user researchers...

          • Jan 30, 2017 at 05:54 PM

            Hi Veselina,

            I guess one of the reasons I am also confused is that there was no apparent utilization of the experience of our best of breed platform provider's wealth of experience before forcing our members to suffer through this less than stellar environment.

            Cheers, Mike

            • Jan 30, 2017 at 09:45 PM

              Hmm... making use of experiences already made... that's an interesting idea, Mike! :)

              Seeing that "innovation mode" is often enabled by the "out with the old - in with the new" (employees) approach, I'm not that much surprised that experience is commonly ignored as "old thinking".

              I suppose that's what results from making a "change of shift" by hiring young talent while handing out "silver/golden handshakes" to the ones bearing the experience. To me, massive growth in staff is incompatible with retention of experience, knowledge or culture. Whether this is a good, bad and perhaps necessary thing is a different question, but for the sake of growth, that's what we went for.

              Anyways, I guess the community platform reached a point now, where the 1DX/Community team could actually stop being stressed about losing more members or killing off the traffic. That's happened. It's done. With that pressure removed, now's the chance to go back and do the whole thing better.

        • Jan 30, 2017 at 06:35 PM

          I will admit I had fears the moment I heard "best of breed" was going to be the approach, long before launch. SAP's entire sales strategy for decades has been that "tightly integrated" is more important than "best of breed." Way back in the middle ages when I was a Basis consultant, the firm I worked for spent a lot of time convincing customers to avoid "best of breed" approaches whenever possible -- and then when we implemented a new consultant time-tracking and messaging solution in-house, what did we do? Proudly announced it would be "best of breed." And it was a flop. (Chris Solomon, if you see this, do you remember that?).

          I have high hopes for this community, but we are hobbled right out of the gate by choosing multiple disparate platforms instead of just finding one best compromise.

          • Jan 30, 2017 at 06:50 PM

            For some reason I thought "best of breed" would mean that New SCN will become "best of breed" itself, e.g. a stellar example for other community sites. I mean SAP still makes a decent ERP and they have already been praised for the community engagement. So how could this go wrong?

            But it turns out "best of breed" just means "we'll take some apps that we think are the best, put them together somehow and call it SAP Community". To borrow from Steffi: weeeeell... :) Even the best ingredients sometimes do not go well together and cooking a decent dish out of them requires some skill. Wild Pacific Salmon covered in fair-trade organic single origin chocolate, anyone? It's best of breed, y'all.

            • Jan 30, 2017 at 06:54 PM

              That might just be the best analogy for why best-of-breed is a bad idea that I've heard yet! "Wild Pacific salmon covered in fair-trade organic single-origin chocolate."

            • Jan 30, 2017 at 09:55 PM

              Not sure how 'global' the TV audience is for the food network show 'Chopped', but they manage to combine some very strange ingredients to make some visually appealing and money winning dishes, so we know it's possible...

      • Mar 03, 2017 at 01:52 PM

        :clap: :clap: :clap:

        I think the people responsible for this "web project" should take a screenshot of you message (Stephen) and paste it next to their screens, so everyone read the "reaction" of the community. If they know what that word means.

  • Jan 12, 2017 at 03:44 AM

    Jamie Cantrell wrote:
    "Even, as we saw in another discussion, what is defined as an "Answered Question" seems to question."
    It is very simple, really - it depends on what exactly you are measuring:

    • If you measure how active are the forum members answering questions - count the total of answers and replies, count the total of questions. You can't make reliable reports for a single tag, because this is how the platform was designed :)
    • If you measure how responsible were the forum members asking questions to come back and set an answer as best, then count the number of questions with a 'best' answer, add the number of questions closed not by a moderator and compare this against the total number of questions.
    • You will probably need to measure the activity of regular members vs the activity of the tag moderators when answering/commenting - this is trickier, but there is probably an Excel file kept somewhere with a mapping between each of the 2800+ tags and moderator user ID...

    For blogs - the number of views is determined like in the old platform - nothing really special, except that you lost setting the blog rating and bookmarking as indicators, but I've always assumed that removing these was intentional and that you don't use them for reporting purposes.

    I am surprised that terms definition, site inconsistencies and reporting feasibility are discussed at such late project stage - usually you keep these in mind when you start designing the solution.

    • Jan 12, 2017 at 05:10 AM

      I agree Veselina, but I can't speak to the early stages of the project, as I wasn't involved. Just trying to get it right going forward.



  • Jan 18, 2017 at 12:52 PM

    Hey Julius,

    great to see you're still around. IMHO your observation is legit. At least the Subforums I frequently haunt(ed) are near-dead or in their death throes, so, yeah, I'm afraid it's finally over. It feels like SCN "died" and went to "the cloud" with all its fluffiness and left its structure behind. Can't say I'm surprised, though. On top of that, no Jason Lax to the rescue this time, writing the entire Forum's structure into one big online document (which was the sole reason why I didn't go insane after the migration from SDN to SCN), but hey, at least we have a proprietary excel document for that. If I hadn't set bookmarks to the respective forums, which still worked after the migration, at that, I wouldn't have found them (even with the super duper excel sheet) at all because some evil genius renamed and restructured them. Let's leave it at that, though, I'm talking myself into rage :-)..

    I must say I miss our chatter in the coffee corner with folks like Mr. Rechnungsschinken, dhj, Thomas, Rob, etc. I had hoped this part at least would withstand the cataclysm :-/

    Oh well, if you ever happen to open your own "ye olde SDN PHP Bulletin Board", count me in, I'll be your (lego-)man.

    Cheers, Lukas

    • Jan 18, 2017 at 02:13 PM

      I must say I miss our chatter in the coffee corner with folks like Mr. Rechnungsschinken, dhj, Thomas, Rob, etc. I had hoped this part at least would withstand the cataclysm :-/

      But... the CC is still going strong(ish)...? :(

      • Jan 18, 2017 at 02:59 PM there's a name I have not heard in many moons.....

      • Jan 19, 2017 at 05:14 PM

        On rare occasions, yes, but not as much as "back in the days". Maybe it's just my personal impression..

        • Jan 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM

          IMO at the moment it's not so much the CC as more like a "status updates" space. A lot of what we share here at the moment would probably be a status update in old SCN.

  • Jan 21, 2017 at 12:58 AM

    glad to see you still around. Security has been quiet so I couldn't tell how active you've been

    At least stick around in coffee corner. We're trying to build momentum back up.

  • Jan 23, 2017 at 09:04 PM

    And only the ABAP forum / space / tag whatever is abuzz with activity. I guess ABAPers are like cockroaches of the SAP world. :) Indestructible.

    P.S. Funny thing - after reading the most recent comment at the bottom I have to scroll all the way up to add a new comment. User-friendliness up to wazoo...

    • Mar 03, 2017 at 12:58 AM

      I just comment at the bottom or the next best option... -)

      Well... I can say that the security area (tag) has increased to at least 1 thread per day (today I made about 10 posts).

      But I did take a break for several weeks to let it sink in on its own.

      I think I can start to conclude (usability aspects aside) that the content is increasing again and the quality problems have not returned. Only one lazy bone asked some "how to do the GRC?" question in the past month and another was grey area but okay to provoke thought. The rest are perfectly OK questions and blogs.

      So we can say SDN first! SCN second! Points system last - finally! :-)

      It is a huge improvement despite 300% activity increase from 1 to 3% - believe me! HUGE! And quality problems are isolated (1 in 4 weeks).

      Does anyone else remember the "bad old days" of the forum points frenzy when we had to delete about 500 posts per day and up to 2000 user IDs per day for points gaming?

      Things are brightening up and the poings are gone... I am back!



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