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[Status Update] Community bye bye

Well, dear readers, ready for a nice stream of consciousness that Joyce would turn pale?

While I’m starting to adapt to the new site (and dear SAP, take in mind it’s me adapting to a non functional tool, not the tool improving) for my job and the core of what I was doing on old SCN, I feel there is no more a community.
I know I’m sounding like a nostalgic old grump but that’s what I feel.
I can read, make and even answer the questions on ABAP space (with a bunch of doubts about the high sponsored high quality of content), I feel the fabric of the old community is slowly disgregating in our hands.
There are lot of nice people doing their best trying to keep alive the “community concept”, that deep web we created in the old SCN but I feel we are slowly loosing the fight.
I was used to login every morning, my hot coffee in my mug, reading a mail and checking a status update, giggling at a blog post or a joke.
Now, I still login to this site but I do it with a more dark spirit, forcing myself into this because I feel I have the duty to do so, because I feel I should give SAP another chance, but it’s a real different feeling.
Yes, questions are made and answered, people login, peopel post so, hurray! It’s all fine and wonderful.

I do not know, or better, I suspect it’s just me, but I cannot feel I’m part of a community anymore because I cannot find and interact with other members in an easy way (the first one who dares to say the new site helps interaction and it’s more easy to use will receive a full curse from Italy, beware: the blog editor has half space not usable!).
So, what we have? What I have? Because I’m a damn selfish guy from time to time.
A site more in mordi e fuggi style,where to login, give a quick look and forget about it.

Or maybe I’m just a bit of drama queen since I complain about it but I’m still here writing this blog.
Who knows? No time for a examination of conscience right now. No time and no will to do it.
But really, is it time to say “Community bye bye”?

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Oct 26, 2016 at 08:09 AM
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Hi Simone,

First of all it's good to vent your frustrations and this is a perfectly good space to do that.

For me personally, my current assessment of the situation is that it is not adapting to the new site that is the problem but rather accepting the fact that the design hinders me from participating at a level that I was used to in the old situation.

The majority of me participating in the community was in the way of answering questions. I did that on a daily or weekly basis. I went to all of my spaces, checked about 30-100 questions per space, and then answered roughly 10 questions or more.

In the current situation, I check my followed activity a whopping 12 questions at a time, have to click more a couple of times all in all to see questions of no more than 8 hours ago. So if I check once a day I cannot answer the other 16 hours that people were posting questions.

This means that my participation in this community has gone down by two thirds, probably more.

Kind regards, Rob Dielemans

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Hi Rob,

I agree with you when you say

For me personally, my current assessment of the situation is that it is not adapting to the new site that is the problem but rather accepting the fact that the design hinders me from participating at a level that I was used to in the old situation.

(Btw, who is the genius who put the Quote under "code"? So intuitive!)

As I stated, I'm forcing myself to do the same.

But I really liked also the community side of the old SCN (and no, i'm not talking about badges at all!), because it has been thanks that side that I got in touch with great people like Lukasz, Jelena, Veselina, Steffi, Matt and many many many others. And getting in touch with them helped me alot in my daily job since I could steal the knowledge they have and share.


Right now I really doubt I could get in touch with any of them in the new platform.

And, for holy sake, I should be one of those millennials (or almost one of them with my 35 years) to who the new look winks at!

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Badges???

What about T-shirts? I am currently wearing my 2K SDN shirt :)

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As i stated, i'm not so old like many of you! :D

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Oy!! Not so much of the 'old'.....

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"Code" <> "Quote"

You just use it as a workaround, but the "code" format is meant to be used to highlight code snippets. ^^

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Another feature missing then! -sighs-

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+1

I will comment this.

No more "quote" button. Genius everywhere, in what head an editor hasn't got a quote tag?

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The same one without a spell checker.

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I'm almost your age Simeone, and I also I spend here like 10% of the time I used to, although I really like to be in touch with new stuff, technologies and so on. But as I mention to you some days ago, I hope that this will change and this place will be adapted to us, and not opposite :) And we can come back here without feeling that we've lost something.....

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Hi Simone,

I fully agree with you, I do also miss my morning SCN checks, browsing the RSS feeds to learn about new things and find questions that deserves an answer.

Like you I'm afraid that this good old time is gone for ever.

Best regards

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It is true - I spend less time here than I used to. I don't have a single reason why. Just a whole lot of little things that add up to not being so engaging. I wish I understood better why I feel this way.

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Maybe it's better on a phone???

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Replying to you by phone as I was curious.

Better is not the right word. It's OK as far as sites optimized for mobile go but that doesn't cure any of the functionality and basic premise of how the site now works issues.

This is all worded horribly but you get my drift. I hesitate to rewrite on the phone. Tap. Tap. Tap.

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LOL - well I guess its good to know it's the same across the board!

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*stealing the workaround*

Right now I really doubt I could get in touch with any of them in the new platform.

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You came to the right place to do so! We hijacked the Coffee Corner und use it as our Community wall, until our status updates are back. :)

So as long as the CC is there (and at least it's easy to find now), we will find eachother.

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No Steffi, sorry, I think I did not explain what I mean in the right way.
Please, let me try again.

If I do not any of you, I think it would be pretty impossible for me to build that web of connections with most of you.

Now that I already have my net, it's more easy, but I feel I'll not be able to find any interesting new connection in the new platform.
And it's a real shame :)

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Ah, yes. Now I understand.

You're right, of course. The new SCN hasn't got any features to really connect to people. At the moment it looks like the CC is the only place to do so.

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I have to agree with Simone on this. Tagging people doesn't work to send them a notification anymore, there is supposed to be a direct message function, but I think it's still not working -- and in any case, that is in no way a substitute, because that's private messaging, very different from alerting someone to a public conversation -- and much of the functionality from the old Communications stream is not replicated well to the current Notifications tab. The Activity tab feels nearly unusable to me.

So, I too keenly feel the lack of the old community participation, and if I didn't already have connections with many of you, I don't know how such a community would build. And, it's not just the lack of status updates. It just doesn't feel as interactive as before.

I really want this to work. I really do. But, like Steve (who may or may not notice that I'm mentioning him here), I can point to lots of little things, and maybe a few big things, but it all adds up to I just don't spend as much time anymore. I have a hard time following tags, not because you can't follow tags, but I'm so dismayed at how the Activities tab functions that I feel it's practically useless to follow anyone or anything now. Rob (who also may or may not notice this comment) mentioned how it seems like it's only reasonable to look at questions from the past few hours, so it's luck of the draw if a question in his tags draws his notice. Absolutely! It feels the same way to me now.

And blogs.... Well, I got lucky, I wrote a blog that the community managers liked, so it got featured on the homepage, and it went minorly viral on Twitter for a bit. But, I strongly suspect that blogs are being written that I would love to read, but I'm missing them. How will excellent blogs of wide/general interest be highlighted now? If I go to a particular tag, I can see the most recently submitted or commented on blogs there, but I haven't figured out how to see which ones are garnering the most attention. So, just as with Rob and his questions dilemma, blogs older than a few hours at the time I look go without notice.

There are other conversations I'm in where people are noticing significant drop-offs in participation and activity in their followed tags from before. I'm curious whether this was an effect seen with the "SCN 2.0" switch made several years ago?

I know that I'm a champion for giving the new platform a chance. But I admit that I'm currently personally rather disheartened and having a hard time with it.

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I'll pile on. Yes... for the supposed goal of making this MORE a community, I think the exact opposite has been done.

It's been made VERY difficult to just browse anymore and graze on the knowledge of others. Difficult to get to know or see new people.

And I feel like I'm typing in an MS-DOS editor from the 80's.

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That editor had more color. ^^

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Craig, I have the same feeling - the "content discovery" element is just gone completely. Previously, if I had any time after following up on the notifications (that I used to get in the email), I usually stopped by the home page to see if there is anything interesting featured or Mentor posts, etc. Then I'd go to my activity stream to see what others are doing. Now, as Matt noted correctly, activity stream is just as good as gone. And there is no home page, no other manageable hubs of activity or any navigation elements that would lead me or entice me to search for other content meaningfully. I mean basic navigation is there but pretty much any action leads to a pile of content or a deadend or endless scrolling.

I still spend quite a bit of time on SCN (I might have addiction problem here :) ) but now most of it is typing posts like this one. :)

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If I didn't know many of the people posting in CC from the old site, I wouldn't bother logging in. I know how to search for content - if I know there is something to search for, but I can't find new interesting things to read, because all is drowned in the activity stream spam.

And reading content here is challenging for me, because reading gray text with small font on white background is somewhat painful. I have no visual impairment and I see no good reason to use accessibility options or override webpage settings in my browser. I started playing with Greasemonkey to make the site somewhat usable, which is tedious, because it feels like doing SAP designers' job.

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And reading content here is challenging for me, because reading gray 
text with small font on white background is somewhat painful.

As you state those visual challenges: I hardly can tell "points" from "commas" in the current display: .,.,.,., - Within the editor, they look alright, but in the final view they look almost identical.

That's an issue I certainly don't want to have to rant about on a big website.

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Yes, I'm having this same issue about fonts, and especially the difference between periods and commas, as Volker mentioned. Sometimes the font is larger, then I click somewhere -- anywhere -- on the page and it shrinks randomly... sometimes. That's weird.

Then again, I complained just as bitterly about the fonts and color schemes in Outlook/Office 2016 vs 2010 that I had before on my work PC, in that they are blurrier and the contrast is much lower, and there aren't as many choices to fix that as there used to be. So perhaps this is the new trend in visual design? ;)

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I wish SAP ceased the constant "improving" of their social websites from bad to worse and misgrated to a plain old Usenet newsgroup or at least a clean, lean, and mean web forum engine such as free phpBB. SAP's own websites are huge, heavy, and bloated.

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Meseems one cannot even edit one's comments, which is rather disappointing. If anybody is interested in a cleaner and simpler comminucation medium, could we set up a mailing list or move to Usenet?

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I kind of recognize the feeling.. and my activity has dropped a lot as well.

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Hm, I have no idea what to do with this so-called Community. When projects were managing quite well, I could login, check some questions and help out. When it's busy, I've the day job to do.

I've been here a few times and have absolutely no idea how this is an improvement. What happened to my NetWeaver Administrator community? The stuff you could read/find/reply to was useful, interesting and worth the effort. And it was enjoyable to help out someone as you knew the favour would be returned. I simply don't have the time or desire to read through pages of Activity Feed on subjects I have no interest - just because someone tags ABAP on NetWeaver, doesn't mean that a non-ABAPer like myself has any interest or can add any value. Whereas ABAP stack or Admin on ABAP stack was relevant to us in the admin / architecture arena. This is not Facebook or Twitter; they have their place. This, I thought, was a question and answer community.

Can I have my SCN back please?

Best Regards,
Graham

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I suspect that ABAP questions in the Basis forum are caused by very unfortunate implementation of "search ahead" for primary tag field. If you start typing "ABAP" when posting a question, it brings up a list where for no logical reason "SAP NetWeaver Application Server for ABAP" takes precedence over ABAP Development tag. (And a separate primary tag for OEM version? Really?) ABAP tag is not even on the screen, you have to scroll all the way down to get to it.

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You are on to something :) My favorite is this tag:

Every single question found on it is mistagged, I believe

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Oh boy... The place where questions go to die. I can see the whole bunch of them released by Moshe Naveh recently, wondering why weren't they rejected? Most are FAQs anyway.

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I understand, the site is not 'user-friendly', but if you are a consultant/developer and you tag your question with SAP Forum, most likely you have absolutely no clue what you are working on; you shouldn't be spending time here asking for solutions, the quality of which you cannot verify, but go to help.sap.com and start with the basics.

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I did't even suspect what the heck it was (having seen people complaining about SAP salesfolks compulsion for naming an renaming things) despite the "category" (or whatever that thing above tag is called/is supposed to represent) being right in front of my eyes

Anyway, Q&A needs a mandatory *err* "primal emotion tag" in addition to the primary, with like four to seven entries to choose from :)

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Yay, the activities list seems to have navigation to the thing it's supposed to be alerting about *joy*

Is it going to stay that way for long..? *fear*

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Sometimes it's better that way, I guess (must resist temptation)

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This could be a new goat thing. :)

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Didn't even ask please....

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I know I tend to be on the fringes here, but the design we see was created to get rid of community IMHO. It was always my impression that a certain level of SAP which may or may not be in the organization anymore never understood or valued SCN. That being said I kept an open mind(except for half baked solutions and sales people who don't respond back) and it seems from my outsider viewpoint that my long-term concerns turned out to be correct instead of me jumping to conclusions way too early. I would love to be proved wrong, but honestly I think we are seeing what happens when a short-term view is applied to something that needs a long-term view.

That being said I will continue to hope things improve, as I know there people wanting to fix problems rather than complain!

Take care,

Stephen

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Hi Stephen,

If this is true

but the design we see was created to get rid of community IMHO. It was always my impression that a certain level of SAP which may or may not be in the organization anymore never understood or valued SCN.

the SAP is like any other Microsoft with its FUD since I lost the track about how many blogs, threads and announcements are made by SAP itself (via its people, so I guess they are official!) stating the high value recognized for the SCN.


And, if it's true, well, SAP is shooting on its own feet because without a live community with passionate people you die even if you are BIG :)

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Simone,

Just to be fair like any organization there are many different views despite what you might see from press releases and the like. The problem is the actual actions may not reflect the message which has been expressed. I have hinted in many places on SCN where the fundamental root cause was that brought things to this point, but I have never directly called it out. That being said I do know/believe there is group of people still left who may be able to address the problems in more long-term fashion, but that's more than a technology fix.

Take care,

Stephen

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I completely agree with many of the comments. A few grumbles:

  • Interface is not user friendly and does not feel like a community
  • It does not feel or look like the "old" community
  • I can't find the blog I submitted after navigating away (in some review area?)
  • I could not edit the blog immediately after submitting it for review
  • The design seems very plain with limited and reduced functionality

I am really surprised that this has happened! 8(

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Here are some old English phrases:

  • "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
  • "If something is working adequately well, leave it alone"

This lesson could also be learned by some mobile phone manufacturers!

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By the way, if SAP want a Q&A site, they should use the StackExchange engine because it is the best of its kind. See how much better it looks and feels:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40127784/comparing-ids-and-pick-the-higher-value

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Dear community voices,

you are not alone with your thoughts and feelings on this recent transition..

Every criticism you raise here is completely fair, and sadly echoes our experience internally here @ SAP too.

I'm all for 'unified' and 'simplified' experiences, but this is too much. Sad times.

Over and out.

H

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>I can read, make and even answer the questions on ABAP

At least you can still ask questions, its broken for me now. =<

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The re-design of the scn is a perfect example of "How one could turn somthing good & useful in a total nightmare". I'm honestly asking myself if the responsible people even tested anything before setting it live ...

People use google to find anything in scn, now (it's not a jocke). The layout of the posts is just bad, if there are source code examples, you've got to scroll down for ages.

I could name much more ... but it's just time wasting, since responsible people seems to have no idea of what they are doing ...

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One year on, and I still cannot see any real improvement.

I really miss the fun colorful platform and people. The new platform is still very slow, disorganized, and cumbersome to use (especially in comparison with the old).

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Totally agree.

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Every time this discussion pops up again on top of the list it scares the heck out of me.

Well, @-mentions are back, so there is that... What else? Uhm... [Crickets]

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New UX (demos at TechEd)? Uh...Capra the Goat?
C'mon, it ain't all bad, is it? In addition to her @mention announcement, Audrey has been sharing some updates to Profile features: https://blogs.sap.com/2017/08/17/improvements-coming-to-content-lists-in-your-profile/. She does an excellent job of showing how the functionality ties back to community requests.

And if you think it scares you when this discussion pops up again... I can't tell you how depressing it is to see this conversation resurrected. It was almost a year ago. Ah...I was so young and naive and fresh-faced then. I thought I was going to change the (community) world. I thought the power of my words could convince Simone Milesi to stay.

Ha! I learned the hard way. Not like these young communicators today, pampered with their rock 'n' roll and mobile devices.

I thought I had moved past it, had healed, but the scars of a seasoned community communicator run deep...and they just never go away, do they?

At least now I can take comfort in the fact that things are getting better...at least in terms of my exchanges with Simone. :)

Anyway, if any of you are at TechEd, please do stop by the Community booth and introduce yourself. I'll be the guy with the 1,000-yard stare, mumbling, "The horror...the horror..."

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Hi Jerry!

In May I posted a blog: https://blogs.sap.com/2017/05/19/answering-community-questions-list-of-issues/

Nothing was improved according to this list.

I don't open my profile very often (only to get my blog list to copy link to some answer), I don't use @mentions, I don't use full-screen menu... I am simply answering the questions! And sometimes helping moderator to correct tags in the questions...

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+1 to Vadim. Yes, there were some changes but most fall under the "quality of life" improvement category. And calling those "improvements" is debatable as we are just a bit closer to the old functionality that we had since 2012. It is nice, don't get me wrong but you guys are just picking the low-hanging fruit when the tree branches are cracking under the weight of other problems.

My activity stream is only 2% less polluted (don't see the moderator notes anymore that shouldn't have been there in the first place). I just stopped using it, problem solved. Answer/comment structure that is confusing AF and lack of notifications - don't get me started. (I am a blog author and, as I found, notification is sent only when someone posts a comment but not when someone replies to their comment - how messed up is that?) Content discovery - [insert diabolical laugh].

And, again, this is just getting back what we had. Where is the "world class" stuff we were promised a year ago? Where is anything new (that is actually useful)?

Lucky for the SCN team, my pitchforks won't pass the TSA security.

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I used SCN on a daily basis. First thing was looking for new content, blogs or how-to's,.... just stuff that was interesting to read and even better to implement in my system to make life easier. And while I was on the site I took a look at the BW questions and tried to answer as much as possible. I got notified when someone reacted on any of my answers. Rather simple I would say. Now this is not possible anymore. Each of the above steps takes so much more time now. Still want to contribute but often not the time/will.

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Sorry about the pitchforks, Jelena Perfiljeva. If it's any consolation, I believe you can bring torches on a plane...unlit, of course.

-- Jerry "I'm here to help" Janda

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You were such a candid and innocent man, Jerry Janda !

It has been a dirty work, but someone had to open your dreaming eyes!

I'm sorry to keep your eyes open but... i've to agree with Vadim Kalinin and Jelena Perfiljeva the second.

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My eyes are wide open, Simone Milesi ... believe me. :)

Will you be at TechEd? (How about you, Vadim Kalinin ?) I don't know if I have great news regarding each and every idea at

https://blogs.sap.com/2017/05/19/answering-community-questions-list-of-issues/, but perhaps we could talk about how some overall design changes may (or may not) make it easier to find and answer questions that interest you.

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"Will you be at TechEd?" - unfortunately no, due to current visa processing issues in Russian US embassy.

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Hi Jerry.

Sadly no TechEd for me.

And it's not just "find and answer questions" the point i raised months ago with this thread: it's the feeling of being alone in the wide seas instead of being a community.

Really, i know i sound like a broken disc repeating the same and i feel sorry (and boring!) to do so.

i wish you the best success and to survive the TechEd :)

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So far, so good...but lots of interesting feedback.

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So.. last week I was away in the Virginia, (USA), wilds doing some search & rescue K9 training. No cell or internet available. Just on one remote hilltop where we got one bar once in a while. A place we could sometimes get text messages in and out. But even the mobile tuned SAP site wouldn't load up there.

So I get back and visit the community. I use to hate being away for a week cause I'd miss a bunch of stuff and I'd have a bunch of unread topics and it would take me at least an hour or two to read everything, make replies and in general catch up.

First in the coffee corner. Three discussions ahead of this one that is now 4 days old. One of those is a technical question on PDF's and is really in the wrong forum. The other two related to TechEd. So nothing new really since I left.

Then notifications in my activity stream. Two of them.. TWO!!! Both were notifications telling me I got two new followers. No notifications about new replies, new questions, moderator queues, new comments. Of three new questions since I left over a week ago, only one got answers, (all incorrect answers BTW).

So it was interesting to see this one year old discussion pop up when I was gone in the coffee corner again.

So.. I have made ZERO new friends in that one year. Well Jerry maybe... but I'm probably more a pain then a friend. :-)

I have gotten to know zero new technical QM people. No one is even trying to answer the questions correctly it seems. Brief replies from people who probably didn't even look at an SAP system to check their answers before posting them. I.e. no real quality answers.

I no longer see people that once were active daily here. So I feel like I actually lost friends and contacts here. I'm less connected then ever.

I can't think of one new thing I've picked up from the SCN site in this past year. No new insights, no interesting tech revelations, no cool OSS notes that I want to push to have added, no new techniques, no undocumented tips or tricks.

The only really good thing about the site? I feel like I can go away for two weeks with no internet access now and it'll only take me a few minutes to catchup when I get back.

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I missed you :-)

Did you really mean bar once in a while or a bear once in a while?

For SAP mobile you need at least 4 wifi bars to a highspeed connection otherwise the connection gets lost in the middle of the countless hops where you need to be signed in to get a result.

The traffic in the coffee corner is not coming from real new threads, the answer and comments to older discussions make the traffic, but you are right it was not much the last 2 weeks, probably because Steffi Warnecke was also not around during that time, and the rest were busy with TechEd. I guess they can't believe that you spend this most holy time in the year with your dog on top of some remote hills.

Notifications you only receive on replies to own content (like this now) plus moderator alerts and new followers, new content is in Activities for those tags and people that you follow. I usually need two days when I come back from vacation to catch up, which is anyway only possible by hiding the social stuff.

But on all the other thoughts I am completely with you.

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Thanks Jurgen! Nice to know one person missed me! :-)

Nope. I meant Bar as on the signal strength.. We missed all the bears. (they are there usually). Bears have a great sense of smell and I imagine they could smell the roughly 60+ dogs in camp of mostly bloodhounds, Malionis and German Shepherds and kept a respectful distance.

Yes, the 3 new questions I wouldn't get notified of. But I was disappointed that in over a week I had no replies from OP's on ones I posted against before leaving and that when I looked at the 3 new questions, no answers on two of them and poor answers on the third.

The lack of quality content and quality user's is really the bigger issue here. Can't wait for the new platform and the two years it'll take to get back to what it once was. Relationships don't get built overnight no matter how good the platform.

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See? Mommy SAP cares about the balance between Life and Work: you have more time to spend with your dog!

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Work life balance is important!

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Craig, that's pretty much how I feel. I really have nothing to show for the last year on SCN. I don't even know if anyone is following up on the answers I replied to (if they used an answer I won't get notified). Most of my notifications are from someone following me or moderator alerts. And I'm getting tired of playing "a little moderator helper". I want to learn something, to help someone, not to write explanations why I feel a blog adds no value or what strings OP should've googled.

And I guess Michelle Crapo feels the same way.

By the way, I reluctantly joined Twitter recently and found most of the good old SCN crowd there. Twitter is not an SCN replacement (I honestly don't know how people manage to say anything of value in 140 characters) but at least it's good to know they are still alive.

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It seems some people can say so much with even less characters that the news channels around the world share it for all who do not have a Twitter account. Here it would be reject with the reason "Requires additional information"

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LOL – Nevertheless, I don't think the SCN Community lacks such kind of tweets...

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Twitter do not replace SCN, just it's the perfect way to ask help (like it happened to me) or to promote the little good stuff you are lucky to find out.

At the end it's a way (with CC) to try to keep a community feeling.

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It is so bad currently that one tends to not hit the "Alert moderator" button any longer, because (at least in the QM space) then there would be no posts at all.

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Yes. I have to admit, the quality of the questions have been really bad too. I have left many go through that I would normally have deleted. And yes.. its because at least it gives us something there.

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Following this sad trend, we might turn this into an A&Q site: We present answers and hope somebody may have the according questions...

"SAP Jeopardy!"
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Yes, I get the same feeling sometimes. That's pretty bad IMHO. Also imagine down the road someone searching in Google and trying to find an answer. I still frequently stumble upon very bad old posts circa 2008-2009. Link farms, copy-paste from documentation, "link jungle", etc. We're just accumulating "digital garbage", sadly.

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I'd like to think that we're friends, Craig S . And any pain you may have caused me is negligible compared to the pain that the platform has caused you. :)

And, look, you can @mention me now!

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I hope so Jerry Janda !!

I can mention you! It works!

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I assume that the management reporting is all hunky-dory though.

Don't feel alone - it was like that in the good old days as well and is mostly like that when project managers are involved in anything.

Cheers,

Julius

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Juliuuuuuus! :)

You need to create your car-searching stuff in the CC, otherwise we can hardly find you (as you noticed). If you'd put it in CC, we would have flodded you with input. ;)

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Both of you gave me heart attacks because I only saw the discussion's Title and your Profile Pictures in the activity stream...

Don't you dare leaving me alone here and don't worry <In_a_dark_prophetic_voice>things will get better</In_a_dark_prophetic_voice>.

P.S. now following tag "old grumpy" :->

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LOL! You certainly know the German phrase "Der Letzte macht das Licht aus."...

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And for not German-speaking is...?

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this goes back to an old (before 1989) German joke:

Honecker comes from an official visit from Bonn late in the evening back to East Berlin. The whole city is brightly lit, but there are no people on the streets. All ministries are enlightened, but dead. He lets himself be driven by his chauffeur through the city - no human soul. Finally he comes to the Berlin Wall and finally finds a huge hole in it. Next to it, a handwritten note: "Erich, you're the last one when you go out, turn off the light."

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