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Raphael Pacheco de Almeida

This is my way of complaining about the quality of the questions here at SCN (like this one: https://answers.sap.com/questions/12888138/vinoth-kumar-joshee-thangaraj.html)...

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  • Oct 15, 2019 at 03:15 PM

    Raphael, I feel your frustration.

    Someone else is asking for the answers to questions from an ABAP exam, which could explain how some of the unqualified consultants I've run across the last few years got hired.

    Totally unprofessional, in my opinion.

  • Oct 15, 2019 at 04:28 PM

    LOL. At first I thought you've gone mad. :)

    That's not the worst quality out there, sadly. Downvote, downvote, downvote. At least this will help others and they won't need to waste time. Usually I just scroll past downvoted questions which, unsurprisingly, usually have non-descriptive titles too.

  • Oct 16, 2019 at 07:38 AM

    Well, if you tend to use your name as question title, you certainly will be able to find "similar questions" soon:)

  • Oct 18, 2019 at 09:23 AM

    Sometimes the questions are not really serious, but for my point of view, it is really better than some years ago.

    I had stop to participate to this forum due to people that copies your answer just to get points ...

  • Oct 21, 2019 at 11:11 AM

    12 downvotes because someone mistakenly filled out the question title with their name? That seems excessive at best, and certainly not something I would choose to celebrate in the Coffee Corner.

    • Oct 21, 2019 at 12:24 PM

      Hello Morten,

      I don't think that's only about the wrong title. The very first answer was the hint to adjust the title, which was totally ignored. We all make mistakes, but if we don't use our possibilities to rectify them, we are not committed. Having a look on the question and the answers leaves the impression, that the author just dropped off an half baked question and didn't give anything to what happens. That the author wastes everyone else's time, he doesn't care. Don't know if 12 downvotes are appropriate, but some are surely justified.

      Had also a question with similar behavior. Dropping off and never to be seen, again. That's more than not satisfying when answering to such questions(Downvoting is a far too mild punishment IMHO).

      Sorry if I'm getting too emotional on this, but I surely can understand the frustration.

      • Oct 21, 2019 at 01:26 PM

        Sure, there is a variety of questions out there, ranging from very bad to very good. I just checked the first 10 pages of ABAP questions, and most of the questions with downvotes have 1 or 2. Very few have more. -5 was the lowest. So 12 downvotes on this particular question is out of proportion and - again - not something I would celebrate. It's not a good look.

        • Oct 23, 2019 at 01:43 PM

          It's not good look for whom or what?
          Seriously, I don't get your point: not seeing (or not caring, even worse) you put the wrong title the exact moment you posted it's a "fire&forget" way to (ab)use the Community.

          We had years of spam-questions where moderators just rejected all the alerts to be "more inclusive" and now, finally, we are slowly (too slowly, imho) moving back to a semi-professional attitude.
          Do you act like that during your work? Sending email without checking, not apologizing if it happens, totally ignoring the replies?
          I bet you didn't, right?

          Why should SC be a free-for-all place?

          • Oct 23, 2019 at 01:59 PM

            Let me spell out exactly what I mean, so as to remove all doubt: As I pointed out, I went through 10 pages of ABAP questions, and no other question had even close to 12 downvotes. So when a question with a trivial mistake gets 12 downvotes and gets ridiculed in its own Coffee Corner thread, that is excessive at best. At worst, it's people ganging up on the person who posted the question, and that I cannot abide.

            I hope that made things more clear for you.

            Regards,

            Morten

            • Oct 23, 2019 at 02:15 PM

              If you sort by votes, you can see there is a good number of questions with -11 and -10 votes and 3 pages of -8 and -7 and one -13.
              Is this question worthy -12? i do not know: i opened it, i read it, i close it shaking my head (yes, I am a bad person).
              Does that question show a lack of interest and respect? For me, yes. And it's still there.


              I find "ganging up" a really bad statement in this case: what can we do as Community when we face such kind of questions? This is a question I ask myself and also posted here, but there is no answer apart "be nice".
              Cool, I'd like also others would be nice and show some caring.

              Alerts are, when lucky, took in exam after months (literally: i got an answer this month about an alert i raised at the beginning of the summer and of course i totally forgot in the time) when not ignored.
              The only tool we have is the downvote this kind of questions, even more when someone already suggested to the OP to change the topic and an answer has been submitted. The downvotes, I think, comes from the following behaviour of the OP.

              I saw more than a question with such kind of mistake and not receiving a single downvote for that: do you know why? Because the OPs simply fixed, showing an interest for what the community has to say.

              This post helped raising the negative votes, maybe yes, maybe no, if this is ganging up, we have different experiences on the topic.

        • Oct 24, 2019 at 01:22 PM

          I admit I had never considered if -3 oder -12 makes that much of a difference.
          I would have interpreted both the same way: some people have looked at it, and considered it a not-so-good question.

          But I think I do get you point: from OPs point of view, it might be a big difference being told "not good" 3 times or 12(!) times.
          (and then again, as far as I got it: OP seems to not have returned to the question at all, so she or he probably didn't see that feedback; that might be a "no harm done" argument.)

          • Oct 25, 2019 at 05:38 AM

            So you mean the OP didn't even ignore :-).

            This is considered the highest level of 'I don't care' in our regions.

    • Oct 28, 2019 at 05:15 PM

      Has it occurred to you that the question could get so many downvotes simply because it was opened by more people than usual since no one could understand from the title what it was about?

      That's exactly how it got my downvote. Saw it on the list, thought what the heck, opened, saw a low-effort question with no feedback from OP, downvoted and closed it. Only noticed this discussion in CC much later.

      Correlation <> causation.

      • Oct 28, 2019 at 09:09 PM

        Sure, I guess it's not entirely outside the realm of the possible, that this question was a combination of so attention grabbing and so bad as to reach second lowest voted question ever. I do think there's a more straightforward explanation though. But thanks for chiming in, regardless.

        Regards,

        Morten

        • Oct 29, 2019 at 07:56 PM

          I haven't looked up the stats myself and am relying on the numbers mentioned by Simone above. With 12 downvotes it seems this question was actually not very far off from a large number of other questions with 10-11 downvotes. (It's anecdotal evidence but I routinely see 6-7 downvotes when scrolling through ABAP forum.)

          If there indeed was some kind of conspiracy, as you seem to be suggesting, then all it achieved was like 1-2 extra downvotes. Considering this 2nd best question somehow has 280 (!) upvotes when the 3rd place one has only 56, someone really sucks at being a villain...

          • Oct 29, 2019 at 08:16 PM

            There aren't that many stats to look at, and it's not that complicated. It was the second lowest voted question on record, out of a total of ~390500 questions. Nothing routine about that.

            Regards,

            Morten

  • Oct 29, 2019 at 07:25 AM

    If somebody happens upon Vinoth's question now who doesn't know the "back story" s/he might wonder why the question as it looks now received so many downvotes. As Joachim mentions in his comment, the question as stated now is fine. But, the many downvotes may have discouraged Vinoth from coming back to it or SAP Community (according to his profile his profile he's not a regular visitor judging from the fact that this is his only question thus far although having been a member since 2011).

    How about "taking back" the downvotes, given that the title has been updated in the meantime?

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