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Tag removal screws up the streams

I usually go to the ABAP Questions tag, to see the most recent questions. Unfortunately Sawa Ito is removing tags from old ABAP questions... meaning the most recent questions are, in fact, really old and mostly by "former members".

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  • Apr 17, 2019 at 07:08 AM

    In general, incorrect tag removal is fine. But it's reflected in the questions stream as change - also correct in case of recent question.

    Looks like we need a special option for moderators like: "Remove tag without changing timestamp... or something like... (for old questions!)" - not sure it's possible with the current platform!

  • Apr 17, 2019 at 07:37 AM

    It isn't the solution, more a workaround to use for a couple of weeks, until the new questions become so many and with so many updates you do not have anymore the issue, but you can sort by "created" option :)

    • Apr 17, 2019 at 07:50 AM

      For sure, it's not a perfect solution but we have a real issue - a lot of old questions have incorrect tags. The cleaning process may take a lot of time...

      Sort by "created" is not an option if you want to track latest activity!

      • Apr 17, 2019 at 07:54 AM

        As I said, it's a workaround to survive, not the solution :)

        • Apr 17, 2019 at 08:15 AM

          In general the question is: Do we want to correct tags for old questions?

          If answer is yes, then we have to assume that it's a never ending process... depending on moderators time and knowledge! And the result is that very old questions are moved to the top of the list. The ability to change tag without changing timestamp (selected by moderator for each question) can a be a useful option.

          • Apr 17, 2019 at 08:21 AM

            The answer is: it depends!

            Good questions with good answers? Yes, of course!

            Dumb questions or without an answer or whatelse? No :D

            • Apr 17, 2019 at 08:29 AM

              "Dumb questions or without an answer or whatelse? No :D" - to be deleted completely :)

  • Apr 17, 2019 at 09:11 AM
  • Apr 17, 2019 at 11:51 AM

    Thank goodness Matthew started this thread because I thought I was losing it when this was the most recent question in the SAP Business Workflow tag

    Harumph. Necromancing at it's finest.

  • Apr 17, 2019 at 12:09 PM

    If there aren't enough new questions, resurrect old ones. ^^

  • Apr 17, 2019 at 07:52 PM

    Although not stated explicitly here (so I'm not sure that everyone is aware)...

    You're seeing an increase in this activity because of the recent migration of the archived discussions into Q&A.

    Maybe that's implied in the responses, but to be safe, I'm sharing a link to What's New, where you'll find more info about what's been happening (and what we'll need to do to correct/retag in some cases).

    In the meantime, we can remind moderators of how the changes affect streams, and options proposed here can be considered.


    • Apr 18, 2019 at 06:23 AM

      One option. Don't retag more than about 5 at a time!

      • Apr 18, 2019 at 06:27 AM

        Unfortunately this is not an option because archive contain hundreds thousands of questions...

    • Apr 25, 2019 at 08:30 PM

      I'm not sure what value it adds to bring all the old junk from archive. But those could've at least been brought in as closed questions, not the open ones. People don't pay attention to the dates. All this is going to do is just add a wave of "I have the same issue, how did you solve it?" (with no response) or misguided Samaritans trying to ask follow-up questions on a decade-old post.

      • Apr 26, 2019 at 07:11 AM

        > I'm not sure what value it adds to bring all the old junk from archive

        Well, doesn't it make us feel like we're working on the cool new stuff compared to those? :)

        • Apr 29, 2019 at 05:38 PM

          Heh. Everything these days is a sequel or remake, so I guess SCN is just following the fashion. Soon the Millennials who missed on the circa 2008 jokes will be able to make fun of folks asking for a list of all transactions and stuff again. :)

      • Apr 29, 2019 at 01:11 PM

        I don't mind having my old questions finally brought back into the fold, so to speak. The archive is not really easy searchable etc.

        But I'm with you: it would have been better to just close those questions.

        • Apr 29, 2019 at 05:34 PM

          Hm, not sure if bringing the question back from the dead actually improved the search. E.g. Google -> "va02 user exit for serial numbers" ranks this post (which is completely useless) higher than this post (which is at least much more relevant). Not a huge (both are within top 10) deal but I felt like Google results were more accurate before. Maybe some kind of engine optimization still needs to happen, dunno...

          And Search button on SCN seems to trigger a random thread generator. :)

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    • May 01, 2019 at 06:39 PM

      We should only bring back the ones where they have been closed and marked with a correct answer. Those can add value when folks actually do search.

      Any that are open probably don't add much value.

      ALL of them should be locked to prevent any additions or updates to them. Ideally a comment is added, something like

      "This question was migrated from SCN. If you have questions about it, please create a new question and link back to this original issue. This is in keeping with internet etiquette to not resurrect old questions that may no longer be applicable to the currently available SAP software releases."

      I'm sure the powers that be could wordsmith that to something more of their liking. I'm kind of wondering how SAP could have a project to migrate these and edit tags and NOT address the issue of these contaminating the activity streams. It doesn't give me a lot of faith in the analysis skill sets being applied.


      • May 02, 2019 at 09:05 AM

        I was just thinking that - change tags and close the question.

      • May 02, 2019 at 11:17 AM
        I'm kind of wondering how SAP could have a project to migrate these and edit tags and NOT...

        Hm, I'm not wondering:)

      • May 06, 2019 at 03:07 PM

        These days when S/4HANA is about to hit mainstream and ABAP has changed a lot, what exactly will be achieved by resurrecting the questions that are, at minimum, 2 years old?

        I honestly do not understand why this whole exercise was needed in the first place. But SCN team has been marching to their own drum for quite a while already, so at least I don't wonder anymore...

        • May 07, 2019 at 03:30 PM

          My guess is a person formally trained in systems analysis or functional design was not utilized for this. This has all the ear markings of a business end user making a request and a technical contractor person carrying the request out as written with no full analysis of the technical and functional impacts on the various aspects of the system.

          Something SAP would probably point out as a major problem in any historical review of screwed-up installations/changes of their ERP software by customers and 3rd parties.


        • May 07, 2019 at 05:01 PM

          Carried out blindly without any thought of value

          Not even an answer to this one. Does the editor really believe that someone will give a useful answer? The OP almost certainly doesn't care after 6+ months...

          • May 08, 2019 at 03:48 PM

            Ask Craig Cmehil He made the edits on that one according to the rev history. I suspect he was testing something because it doesn't look like he actually made a change. I think he just picked the one posting to test on that you would see!!!! LOL


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